10-12-2017, 12:15 PM
(Edited 10-12-2017, 12:16 PM by PHOODLE-OUt.)
Brexit wouldn't be as an embarrassing a shitshow as it is under May and her horrific cabinet
10-12-2017, 12:15 PM
(Edited 10-12-2017, 12:16 PM by PHOODLE-OUt.)
Brexit wouldn't be as an embarrassing a shitshow as it is under May and her horrific cabinet
10-12-2017, 12:19 PM
Interesting comment on the Independent comments section of AP's article:
"For the Tory hardliners Brexit has always been about creating a situation of 'creative chaos'; another opportunity to utilise that form of disaster capitalism which characterised their response to the 2008 Banker's crash. In other words, when the economy crashes it will be another excuse or opportunity to hardwire austerity economics into the National psyche, preferably forever. Johnson and Patel are already talking about their low tax, low regulation vision for post-Brexit Britain. The completion of that privatisation, outsourcing agenda needs an economic collapse to justify its continuation. The Three Musketeers are busy engineering just such an outcome, whilst Theresa May sits on the sidelines."
10-12-2017, 12:48 PM
But hasn't that always been the case?
10-12-2017, 01:43 PM
10-13-2017, 04:20 AM
(10-11-2017, 11:18 AM)Bill Cosby Wrote: That's a matter of opinion. I for one, have complete distain for the direction the EU is heading in ad it's expansionist hopes. The EU has a dream of a federal state and its something I would rather we weren't apart of. We weren't/aren't part of it right now. The government has confirmed that we've retained full sovereignty at all stages, and we're not part of the euro. We had the best of both worlds, and we've voted it away for the absolute worst of both instead. (10-11-2017, 11:40 AM)Aceymandias Wrote: Srspost: the Brexit shambles has made me rethink Scottish independence in a big way. I'm still inclined to support it, but I can see why lots of people wouldn't now. Yes. And whereas there was all this talk about how Britain leaving would start a domino effect across the EU, the opposite has happened. Every single EU population strongly supports their country staying in - because they've looked at what we've done to ourselves and rightly thought: "Better inside the tent pissing out than outside pissing in". (10-11-2017, 11:41 AM)Bill Cosby Wrote: We have the opportunity to elect progressive government who have freehand to make the decisions that could ultimately improve life for everyone. This just doesn't make sense. Because no deal Brexit means austerity on stilts, for a decade or more. What's the point of any progressive government if it doesn't have a pot to piss in? (10-11-2017, 11:56 AM)Roger H. Sterling Wrote: Wasn't it Thatcher that destroyed our national identity? Yes. The problem isn't immigration. The problem is lack of investment and neglect across huge areas of the UK, none of which has anything to do with the EU. (10-11-2017, 12:32 PM)Bill Cosby Wrote: A Labour politician was asked the other week why labour wouldn't scrap HS2 and plough the money into social housing, she responded that it's not money that's the main obstacle to building council housing it's EU planning regulations. Given that there are only housing crises in a few EU states - and especially given that the Tories' entire electoral strategy has long been built on demand massively outweighing supply - the above sounds like bollocks.
10-13-2017, 07:40 AM
10-13-2017, 07:42 AM
Don't worry lads, the new Royal Yacht is back on the cards.
https://twitter.com/telegraph/status/918578270471274496
10-13-2017, 07:42 AM
10-13-2017, 11:15 AM
(Edited 10-13-2017, 11:16 AM by Bill Cosby.)
(10-13-2017, 04:20 AM)shaun.lawson Wrote: We weren't/aren't part of it right now. The government has confirmed that we've retained full sovereignty at all stages, and we're not part of the euro. We had the best of both worlds, and we've voted it away for the absolute worst of both instead. Sorry to rehash a golden oldie Shaun, however this gent puts the argument far more eloquently than I ever could. It's worth a read; https://www.opendemocracy.net/can-europe...pean-union
10-13-2017, 11:45 AM
(10-13-2017, 11:15 AM)Bill Cosby Wrote: Sorry to rehash a golden oldie Shaun, however this gent puts the argument far more eloquently than I ever could. It's worth a read; Yes yes. And then the Leave campaign demonstrated that it was full of lies, so I was a born again Remainer. Even I'd never have believed that the staunchest Leavers literally wanted to trash the UK - but it's abundantly clear that they do.
10-13-2017, 12:09 PM
That's actually an excellent article and pretty ahead of the curve. Probably convinced around 1-1.5% of people to vote to leave.
10-13-2017, 12:22 PM
(10-13-2017, 11:45 AM)shaun.lawson Wrote: Yes yes. And then the Leave campaign demonstrated that it was full of lies, so I was a born again Remainer. Even I'd never have believed that the staunchest Leavers literally wanted to trash the UK - but it's abundantly clear that they do. I'm not sure I buy that. I certainly give you more credit than to do a complete 360 based on a few lobbyists and politicians telling fibs, there was scaremongering and lies on both sides as there always is. Your last post just seems somewhat of a cop out. The reason that Brexit is so polarising is that there is no real right or wrong answer, it comes down to opinion and in some cases ideology. Perhaps if people were more accepting of views that weren't their own there would have been more debate. Unfortunately there was a significant amount of people in both camps who were intent on stifling debate I voted leave due to weighing up both sides of the arguments and decided I believe the countries future is better off outside the EU. Unfortunately a lack of strong leadership from the current government, who I didn't vote for and who don't actually believe in brexit, is harming the opportunities that brexit undoubtedly offers. I would have preferred a cross party delegation to handle the brexit negotiations. Unfortunately politicians are power hungry fuckwits and will probably fuck this up.
10-13-2017, 12:24 PM
10-13-2017, 12:40 PM
(Edited 10-13-2017, 12:42 PM by shaun.lawson.)
(10-13-2017, 12:22 PM)Bill Cosby Wrote: I'm not sure I buy that. I certainly give you more credit than to do a complete 360 based on a few lobbyists and politicians telling fibs, there was scaremongering and lies on both sides as there always is. Your last post just seems somewhat of a cop out. Great comment. The last bit especially. The problem with the Scottish independence referendum was it ended up party political: left v right. The problem with the fallout from the EU referendum is it's also been party political; atrociously partisan, with naked self-interest winning the day. As for me - well, it was a combination of things really: 1. The lies of the Leave campaign, eg. the 350m for the NHS and pretence that any departure would be simple 2. The racist undertones to much of the Leave campaign 3. In my quest for power and glory, that article completely overlooked three hugely important things: a) I'd never realised that EFTA members must remain signed up to freedom of movement (torpedoing the very thing the article proposed) b) I'd never known - in fact, nobody in the UK seemed to know - that freedom of movement does not require EU member states to allow EU nationals to automatically remain beyond 90 days. Most EU members have enforced FoM completely differently from the UK - with only a need for ID cards stopping us doing the same. But imagine the British public's response to that being proposed. c) Passporting rights, financial services and the City of London - for whom, the consequences really only came apparent after the vote. Had I known about points a) and b) when I wrote the piece, there'd have been no reason for me to support Leave. It continues to boggle my mind that the Remain campaign failed at any stage to emphasise point a).
10-17-2017, 12:55 PM
Quote:The Tory MP and Brexit fanatic John Redwood has written a ludicrous article for The S*n in which he outlines his argument that Theresa May should address her spectacularly failing Brexit negotiations by escalating her threats to do an extreme "no deal" strop away from the negotiating table. https://anotherangryvoice.blogspot.co.uk...ional.html
10-20-2017, 11:26 AM
Some facts about tariffs in the case of no deal
10-20-2017, 11:36 AM
So it'd be fucking terrible for everyone? Good to know. Let's keep working towards the absolute worst case scenario for everyone.
10-20-2017, 11:38 AM
Makes you proud to be British. Just like the Dambusters
10-20-2017, 11:43 AM
I appreciate that Liam Fox suggests we all drink English wine but that's fantasy land stuff. Maybe we could buy British cars?
10-20-2017, 11:45 AM
(10-20-2017, 11:43 AM)Walter Roadshaq Wrote: I appreciate that Liam Fox suggests we all drink English wine but that's fantasy land stuff. Maybe we could buy British cars? Given the nostalgia riddled thoughts of many leaves voters i think an attempt to reinvigorate the delorean factory in norn ireland could be a winner. |
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