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04-03-2015, 09:56 AM -
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Just the two weeks off for me, condolences Greggy
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04-03-2015, 09:58 AM -
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(04-03-2015, 09:56 AM)Francis Begbie Wrote: Just the two weeks off for me, condolences Greggy

Aye but you have to be a teacher.
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04-03-2015, 10:24 AM -
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(04-03-2015, 09:58 AM)Roger H. Sterling Wrote: Aye but you have to be a teacher.

Which I love doing. Shame.
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04-03-2015, 12:36 PM -
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The scandal is Franko convincing himself he likes being a teacher.
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04-03-2015, 01:32 PM -
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What are you doing? Recruitment or some such pish? Not for me thanks.
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04-04-2015, 08:09 AM -
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(04-03-2015, 01:32 PM)Francis Begbie Wrote: What are you doing? Recruitment or some such pish? Not for me thanks.

No, I work in research analysis for an int'l org and my own start-up In weekends, evenings. Hence why im always on the computer and on these shit forums procrastinating and picking fights with moderators Laugh

Just kidding about the teacher thing though, I value teaching and education above everything. Id love to do a bit of lecturing just to get that feeling of helping someone from A to B. Teaching is a grossly underpaid profession compared to its value to society. Especially for new starts. takes the piss tbh.

I dont have the personal skills to control a class though, they would fucking run amock if I was a teacher.

I was in rexruitment for 18 months though - it was so miserable that it made me go back to unI to do a Masters in what I always wanted to do.
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04-04-2015, 11:23 AM -
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(04-04-2015, 08:09 AM)S.J. Wrote: No, I work in research analysis for an int'l org and my own start-up In weekends, evenings. Hence why im always on the computer and on these shit forums procrastinating and picking fights with moderators Laugh

Doing what, if you don't mind me asking? Purely just out of interest.
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04-04-2015, 12:05 PM -
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(04-04-2015, 08:09 AM)S.J. Wrote: No, I work in research analysis for an int'l org and my own start-up In weekends, evenings. Hence why im always on the computer and on these shit forums procrastinating and picking fights with moderators Laugh

Just kidding about the teacher thing though, I value teaching and education above everything. Id love to do a bit of lecturing just to get that feeling of helping someone from A to B. Teaching is a grossly underpaid profession compared to its value to society. Especially for new starts. takes the piss tbh.

I dont have the personal skills to control a class though, they would fucking run amock if I was a teacher.

I was in rexruitment for 18 months though - it was so miserable that it made me go back to unI to do a Masters in what I always wanted to do.

Was sure I had seen you talk about recruitment work in the past - glad you got out of that one as to me it sounds soul destroying. That sounds much more interesting. What's your start up all about?

The problem with teaching is and always will be the fact that a situation has somehow been manipulated over the years where professional standards and expectations have been introduced (a good thing), along with the workload to match (teachers work more unpaid overtime than any other profession in this country), but the conditions and remuneration do not befit a professional position. I've been a teacher for 5 years and have had one 1% pay rise in that time. The incremental rise that we get for our first 6 years kind of kids folk on that we are getting pay rises - the top of the salary scale is the full teacher's salary and anyone working their way up to that isn't being paid the full rate.

It's easy to analyse why teachers' pay is comparatively so much lower than other professions and I won't bore everyone with them all. The probation system is a big one though, as it has flooded the job market with too many qualified, talented and hardworking people, so people have to go over and above expectations just to be considered for a permanent job. This has had the effect that probationers and young teachers are highly pressurised into working themselves into the ground or risk effective blacklisting. Governments must rub their hands together when they negotiate with the profession as well: our unions are incredibly weak and we are very easy to manipulate as thu are well aware that they can increase our workload all they want and we will do everything we have to to avoid it impacting negatively on the pupils.

Anyway, that was hideously boring so I will sign this one off by saying that was absolutely beautiful Foddy, the nicest thing anyone has ever said to me Sob
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04-04-2015, 12:54 PM -
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(04-04-2015, 08:09 AM)S.J. Wrote: No, I work in research analysis for an int'l org and my own start-up In weekends, evenings. Hence why im always on the computer and on these shit forums procrastinating and picking fights with moderators Laugh

Just kidding about the teacher thing though, I value teaching and education above everything. Id love to do a bit of lecturing just to get that feeling of helping someone from A to B. Teaching is a grossly underpaid profession compared to its value to society. Especially for new starts. takes the piss tbh.

I dont have the personal skills to control a class though, they would fucking run amock if I was a teacher.

I was in rexruitment for 18 months though - it was so miserable that it made me go back to unI to do a Masters in what I always wanted to do.

Shut up about your Masters Scott ffs
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04-05-2015, 08:20 AM -
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(04-04-2015, 11:23 AM)Chrambo Wrote: Doing what, if you don't mind me asking?  Purely just out of interest.

It sprung from me doing a bit of "moonlighting" I guess you could call it, carrying out market research on consumer behaviour and some social research and analytics for a couple of SME's/not-for-profit organisations that I knew, it allowed me to build a small portfolio of work and referrals, however the process of setting up as a ltd. company, getting business emnity insurance and getting a wordpress website off the ground is something I am doing incredibly slowly as I can't be fucked. It's just a hobby at the meantime with the view I might get a bit of extra cash, but when I'm ready I will try and push it a bit harder - prob in a year or two. Currently in my job, I get to research international disaster management at EU level and it's given me some insight into how to measure risk and how to improve community resilience and business continuity so i'm building a useful knowledge base hopefully for some consultancy work in the far away future.
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04-05-2015, 08:29 AM -
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(04-04-2015, 12:05 PM)Francis Begbie Wrote: Was sure I had seen you talk about recruitment work in the past - glad you got out of that one as to me it sounds soul destroying. That sounds much more interesting. What's your start up all about?

The problem with teaching is and always will be the fact that a situation has somehow been manipulated over the years where professional standards and expectations have been introduced (a good thing), along with the workload to match (teachers work more unpaid overtime than any other profession in this country), but the conditions and remuneration do not befit a professional position. I've been a teacher for 5 years and have had one 1% pay rise in that time.  The incremental rise that we get for our first 6 years kind of kids folk on that we are getting pay rises - the top of the salary scale is the full teacher's salary and anyone working their way up to that isn't being paid the full rate.

It's easy to analyse why teachers' pay is comparatively so much lower than other professions and I won't bore everyone with them all. The probation system is a big one though, as it has flooded the job market with too many qualified, talented and hardworking people, so people have to go over and above expectations just to be considered for a permanent job. This has had the effect that probationers and young teachers are highly pressurised into working themselves into the ground or risk effective blacklisting. Governments must rub their hands together when they negotiate with the profession as well: our unions are incredibly weak and we are very easy to manipulate as thu are well aware that they can increase our workload all they want and we will do everything we have to to avoid it impacting negatively on the pupils.

Anyway, that was hideously boring so I will sign this one off by saying that was absolutely beautiful Foddy, the nicest thing anyone has ever said to me Sob

I feel it's my duty to acknowledge this enlightening post as you took a while to type it out and everyone else ignored it. Warnock

My personal experience of people who learnt to be a teacher at university, is that they came out with degrees they worked hard for, they then secured a 9 month -1 year job with a school, working the longest hours and put their heart and soul into the job to prove their worth. However, regardless of performance they were then chucked onto the scrapheap by the school and spent the next year desperately applying to councils all over Scotland including the most remote parts, just to secure a contract somewhere.

Most of them have ended up OK, one of them got a full-time job at Dollar Academy which was well played, but for others, especially PE teachers, the marketplace seems completely saturated with incredibly talented, hard working, out of work teachers and are taken advantage of post-studies.

The teaching unions do seem weak. Do they not realise how much power they have? Just go on strike for two weeks - the government will flip out and i'm sure the teachers will generally receive good public support and the public will demand change to get the teachers back in work.
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04-05-2015, 08:32 AM -
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(04-04-2015, 12:54 PM)Makween Wrote: Shut up about your Masters Scott ffs

I deserved that. Pondlife
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04-05-2015, 08:44 AM -
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(04-05-2015, 08:29 AM)S.J. Wrote: I feel it's my duty to acknowledge this enlightening post as you took a while to type it out and everyone else ignored it. Warnock

My personal experience of people who learnt to be a teacher at university, is that they came out with degrees they worked hard for, they then secured a 9 month -1 year job with a school, working the longest hours and put their heart and soul into the job to prove their worth. However, regardless of performance they were then chucked onto the scrapheap by the school and spent the next year desperately applying to councils all over Scotland including the most remote parts, just to secure a contract somewhere.

Most of them have ended up OK, one of them got a full-time job at Dollar Academy which was well played, but for others, especially PE teachers, the marketplace seems completely saturated with incredibly talented, hard working, out of work teachers and are taken advantage of post-studies.

The teaching unions do seem weak. Do they not realise how much power they have? Just go on strike for two weeks - the government will flip out and i'm sure the teachers will generally receive good public support and the public will demand change to get the teachers back in  work.



I can't see them getting too much public support sadly. All you'd hear is 7 weeks holiday in the summer and all that shit and those shouting loudest would be those with kids
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04-05-2015, 09:29 AM -
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(04-05-2015, 08:44 AM)Chris Benoit Wrote: I can't see them getting too much public support sadly. All you'd hear is 7 weeks holiday in the summer and all that shit and those shouting loudest would be those with kids

You could be right, CB.

Cretin parents not seeing the bigger picture when it comes to education standards.
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04-05-2015, 10:26 AM -
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Teachers are one of the most undervalued professions (even though it isn't a "profession", in the classical sense Smug ), along with GPs and criminal defence lawyers.
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04-05-2015, 10:39 AM -
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(04-05-2015, 08:20 AM)S.J. Wrote: It sprung from me doing a bit of "moonlighting" I guess you could call it, carrying out market research on consumer behaviour and some social research and analytics for a couple of SME's/not-for-profit organisations that I knew, it allowed me to build a small portfolio of work and referrals, however the process of setting up as a ltd. company, getting business emnity insurance and getting a wordpress website off the ground is something I am doing incredibly slowly as I can't be fucked. It's just a hobby at the meantime with the view I might get a bit of extra cash, but when I'm ready I will try and push it a bit harder - prob in a year or two. Currently in my job, I get to research international disaster management at EU level and it's given me some insight into how to measure risk and how to improve community resilience and business continuity so i'm building a useful knowledge base hopefully for some consultancy work in the far away future.

Sounds good mate. Not a bad thing that you are slowly building it up, gives you time to keep gaining new contacts and opportunities through your current job before you bugger off and steal all their clients. Also good that you can use Wordpress yourself as will certainly keep costs down and means any changes you need to make can be done so instantly instead of chasing up a site manager to do it.
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04-05-2015, 02:33 PM -
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(04-05-2015, 08:29 AM)S.J. Wrote: I feel it's my duty to acknowledge this enlightening post as you took a while to type it out and everyone else ignored it. Warnock

My personal experience of people who learnt to be a teacher at university, is that they came out with degrees they worked hard for, they then secured a 9 month -1 year job with a school, working the longest hours and put their heart and soul into the job to prove their worth. However, regardless of performance they were then chucked onto the scrapheap by the school and spent the next year desperately applying to councils all over Scotland including the most remote parts, just to secure a contract somewhere.

Most of them have ended up OK, one of them got a full-time job at Dollar Academy which was well played, but for others, especially PE teachers, the marketplace seems completely saturated with incredibly talented, hard working, out of work teachers and are taken advantage of post-studies.

The teaching unions do seem weak. Do they not realise how much power they have? Just go on strike for two weeks - the government will flip out and i'm sure the teachers will generally receive good public support and the public will demand change to get the teachers back in  work.



The problem PE teachers have (and I'm not saying this to be wide) is that their curricular workload is minuscule compared to other folk, and so a lot of the extra curricular things that other teachers do and get credit for is their bread and butter. If I run a football team, for instance, that will look reasonably good on my CV, but it's basic expectation of a PE teacher to do things like that. That makes it really hard to stand out from the crowd when going for a job. Double edged sword though, because you'll find that guidance and head of department/depute head jobs are quite dominated by PE teachers - partly because of their natural competitiveness from their sporting background and partly because of their light workloads freeing up time to dedicate to additional things to boost their careers. For instance, there is no exam for National 5 PE, did you know that? Laugh They do a portfolio of internally assessed stuff, and verifiers come out to a selection of schools to make sure standards are appropriate. That means there's a huge inequality in standards and workload between departments - I have to do the portfolio, but that's only a third of the course assessment, with an exam and an externally marked assignment in addition.

Probationers are used as cheap labour in a lot of authorities - because they are often government-funded rather than council-funded, they can save anything up to £36k by bringing in a probationer over a qualified teacher, so that's what they do. The highly competitive job market means they can get them to do anything as well and really take advantage of their insecurity. Total bullshit. The government bringing in new qualifications that are largely internally-assessed and have had no resources or even assessments produced for them, has only increased workload as a cost-cutting exercise. I used to get SQA-produced NABs from a secure website and use those to assess pupils at Int 1/2 - I now have to make up my own ones and have them verified through a painful administrative process. Hugely time consuming. There is also a new policy called "GIRFEC" (getting it right for every child), which basically justifies any increase in workload under this vague umbrella of "the GIRFEC agenda". Meanwhile they are letting Pupil Support Assistants go en masse and trying to replace qualified librarians with S6 pupil volunteers. Laugh

The unions are an absolute disgrace. It's a noses in troughs job to be honest. We went on strike a couple of years back over conditions being eroded and the impact that would have on pupils. The unions then went back to the table and immediately accepted the exact deal they struck over. Pathetic. They will say it is to protect jobs, but if they are stupid enough to believe that education systems can run and governments can get re-elected after mass teaching job losses then that about sums them up. Benoit is right, though - public support for any kind of action is very much against teachers, as there is a common perception that we are lazy, entitled and take the piss with our holidays. I have had some very heated discussions with otherwise good friends about it Laugh It's also unbelievably inconvenient for parents if we go on strike, and has an impact on the pupils. Such an easy media narrative for the government. To be honest, the profession has brought it on itself with all this free overtime, supported study, lunch clubs etc. - if they can squeeze more work out of us for free and we bend over and do it, then of course they will exploit it. I genuinely don't mind doing it if it benefits the kids, but the old timers in our work always complain about it and you can see their point; can you imagine a GP getting to the end of their day and then saying they will run a free surgery for anyone who couldn't get an appointment that day and spend two hours treating every one of them? And any doctor that doesn't do it being accused of being "unprofessional" (I have heard first hand about this accusation being made against people who would not do free supported study). Or being told they had to make up their own prescriptions? Just wouldn't happen.
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04-05-2015, 02:39 PM -
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In all fairness Begbie, librarians are cunts. Especially school ones.

Apart from that a good post.
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04-05-2015, 02:42 PM -
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(04-05-2015, 02:39 PM)Chrambo Wrote: In all fairness Begbie, librarians are cunts.  Especially school ones.

Apart from that a good post.

Got to say, I have worked with two school librarians properly (as in, for a period of longer than a year) and they have been brilliant; particularly the current librarian I work with. The work she does is way beyond what you would expect and very much not limited to the library. Professionally defaming them by suggesting they could be replaced by kids is fucking outrageous tbh Laugh
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04-05-2015, 02:45 PM -
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I always found school librarians to be cunts because they were essentially powerless, so took it out on the kids.

It was a shame because we had a decent library/workspaces but folk avoided using it because it was run like a Nazi work camp.
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