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'Project' Signings - Sarko - 11-25-2018
Can we get this nonsense to fuck?
Clare, Wighton, Mulraney, Amankwaa as a minimum from the current squad are 'project' players. Average tenure of a Hearts player must be 2-3 seasons maximum; there's no way that we're getting value from guys that aren't ready to hit the ground running.
I'm sure Levein and MacPhee think that signing guys like Wighton and Clare and gradually turning them into players will look impressive, but it's just a complete waste of time. Spending money on them as well
Just sign cunts who are fit and you know will turn up and do a job from day one
RE: 'Project' Signings - Zizou - 11-25-2018
Wouldn't call Clare a project tbh, he was a bit of a coup by all accounts and it is still ridiculously early to write him off.
Mulraney is the definition of what you are talking about. What a baffling signing. And every Hearts supporter called that he would flop. Fuck knows what the professionals see at times.
RE: 'Project' Signings - Rory Breaker - 11-25-2018
another total mystery is signing Ryan Edwards then loan him out for a season to another spfl club
Edit - just seen his tweet after the st mirren goal
'Project' Signings - Herman Boyce - 11-25-2018
Can understand the logic behind it. Jeffries and Levein both had success with that type of signing previously.
Don't think it's what we need right now though, given the horrific signings of the last few years. We need to focus on players who can come in and make an impact straight away and talented youngsters who we can develop.
Signings guys at 22 or 23 who haven't done anything of note or have had long term injuries probably isn't the best use of our money.
RE: 'Project' Signings - Rory Breaker - 11-25-2018
Agree with AP about Sean Claire, he was a bit of a coup and is coming back from injury, reckon he's going to be a key player soon enough, look at the difference in Naismith once he got a pre season under his belt
RE: 'Project' Signings - 2NaFez - 11-25-2018
Perfectly reasonable to sign promising players. If we're critiquing the club we should probably encourage them not to lose our best four players to long term injury thus forcing us to play folk who're not ready to perform week in week out.
One of those players is, of course, John Souttar. The definition of a project player.
RE: 'Project' Signings - Zizou - 11-25-2018
John Souttar was a well known player with clear potential. That type of signing is great (it's the only one of that type he's made this time around).
Gambles like Mulraney, Edwards and Amankwaa are not the same as that.
RE: 'Project' Signings - Morph - 11-25-2018
Were Mulraney and wighton even considered promising when we signed them?
Mulraney everyone was baffled at, and wighton wasn't exactly that well known. Not like players like Souttar where they have gained a good reputation for themselves at a young age and even though he was never the finished product you could see Souttar had something to offer at the start of his career with us.
What has Mulraney and wighton offered? There's nothing wrong with young promising players but we have a large group of players in the youth team who are able to actually contribute well to the first team. If players aren't ready to come in and contribute the same when they're 21/22 I don't think there's much point in signing them. May as well look to give more opportunities to our own players. I'd much rather see Keena over wighton for a start.
RE: 'Project' Signings - Morph - 11-25-2018
(11-25-2018, 12:06 PM)Alan Partridge Wrote: John Souttar was a well known player with clear potential. That type of signing is great (it's the only one of that type he's made this time around).
Gambles like Mulraney, Edwards and Amankwaa are not the same as that.
RE: 'Project' Signings - 2NaFez - 11-25-2018
(11-25-2018, 12:06 PM)Alan Partridge Wrote: John Souttar was a well known player with clear potential. That type of signing is great (it's the only one of that type he's made this time around).
Gambles like Mulraney, Edwards and Amankwaa are not the same as that.
It's a great signing because it worked. Souttar wasn't getting a game at a horrific Dundee United team, so to pretend there was very little risk is just wrong. Amankwaa is basically the same backstory, just a different outcome.
Some players are a greater risk than others - Mulraney, but he's a smaller outlay too - but it's kneejerk to suddenly say taking a long term view with some of our signings should be discontinued.
'Project' Signings - Herman Boyce - 11-25-2018
(11-25-2018, 12:06 PM)Alan Partridge Wrote: John Souttar was a well known player with clear potential. That type of signing is great (it's the only one of that type he's made this time around).
Gambles like Mulraney, Edwards and Amankwaa are not the same as that.
Souttar was 19 when we signed him and had played 70 odd games for Dundee Utd when they were in the SPL.
Mulraney was 23 and had played a handful of games at English lower league level, then a season with Caley when they got relegated and another when the failed to get promoted.
Still no idea why we signed him.
RE: 'Project' Signings - Winston Churchill - 11-25-2018
What happened to Boaby Burns? Has he been papped already?
RE: 'Project' Signings - 2NaFez - 11-25-2018
(11-25-2018, 12:15 PM)Sonny Le Bradley Wrote:
Souttar was 19 when we signed him and had played 70 odd games for Dundee Utd when they were in the SPL.
Mulraney was 23 and had played a handful of games at English lower league level, then a season with Caley when they got relegated and another when the failed to get promoted.
Still no idea why we signed him.
We also paid the best part about of 100k for Souttar. We swapped a nothing player who was out of contract for Mulraney, and we'll be paying him buttons.
RE: 'Project' Signings - Morph - 11-25-2018
Not sure if I'd agree Mulraney and wighton are in the same bracket as a player like Souttar. Souttar was probably similar to Jordan McGhee. Again another player who was getting noticed a lot at youth level and because of the circumstances was getting a lot of game time. He's a player worth persisting with because at a young level he's captaining Scotland youth teams and looked like he could've went on to be quite good.
Those are ones you just chalk up as a loss but it was worth trying with. I'd say the same with a player like Tony Watt, not long ago was playing at a higher level than pretty much everyone in the team, clear talent but a bit of a gamble probably worth making. I just don't see what the point is with especially Mulraney but either of them tbh.
RE: 'Project' Signings - 2NaFez - 11-25-2018
Wighton has 100 senior appeatances at age 21, and has represented Scotland at every youth level since age 14. He's really pretty similar to John Souttar. Danny Amankwaa is a very similar story too. All promising players by anyone's standard.
'Project' Signings - Herman Boyce - 11-25-2018
(11-25-2018, 12:20 PM)Robert The BruNaFish Wrote: We also paid the best part about of 100k for Souttar. We swapped a nothing player who was out of contract for Mulraney, and we'll be paying him buttons.
So they're nothing alike, which is the point lots are making.
I'm not really interested in what we paid, or who we swapped for a shite player who'd done nothing of note before we signed him. The fact is like Amankwaa he seems to be a waste of a waste of a wage and a squad place.
McDonald was already on the books and could've contributed the same as the two of them if all you want is someone to fill the bench and come on when we've no other options.
RE: 'Project' Signings - Morph - 11-25-2018
Whoever said to sign amankwaa after seeing him play should be sacked on the spot, doesn't matter what his career statistics say. Absolutely horrendous footballer.
RE: 'Project' Signings - Shteve - 11-25-2018
I think Mulraney was signed because he's fast, it was a strange punt and it's gone as bad as everyone expected, Clare and Wighton are different although I'm always skeptical about players like Clare that are hyped up without much evidence of how good they really are.
RE: 'Project' Signings - Morph - 11-25-2018
7 goals in 82 for wighton at Dundee, is this guy actually a striker? 100 senior appearances sound good until you look at how many goals he's actually scored.
And if he's not a striker why the fuck have we signed him as one
RE: 'Project' Signings - 2NaFez - 11-25-2018
(11-25-2018, 12:29 PM)Sonny Le Bradley Wrote: So they're nothing alike, which is the point lots are making.
I'm not really interested in what we paid, or who we swapped for a shite player who'd done nothing of note before we signed him. The fact is like Amankwaa he seems to be a waste of a waste of a wage and a squad place.
McDonald was already on the books and could've contributed the same as the two of them if all you want is someone to fill the bench and come on when we've no other options.
The point is there are degrees of risk with players, Mulraney is low risk as there's little outlay. Souttar was a far bigger outlay, so expectation is higher. But he's still a 'project player'.
It seems folk want us to only sign players who will be good. Can't believe no one has come up with it til now.