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01-15-2016, 01:36 PM -
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(01-15-2016, 01:29 PM)Frank Underwood Wrote: But it's not a strong coffee. The issue with the flat white is that it varies from place to place. But in New Zealand and Australia, you can get a single and a double flat white, much like how you can get a single and a double latte, or cappuccino.

For a flat white specifically, you want to take the NZ/Australia way of making the drink. The best description is that it is a 'failed cappuccino'. Even that isn't great.

The difference between Flat White/Latte/Cappuccino is the milk and how it is formed. Liquid heated milk/frothy milk/microfoam. You can make a single of each of those drinks, but it's how the milk interacts with the espresso what the different between the drinks is realised.

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Never been to Aus/NZ so can't speak for that at all. But as far as I'm aware a flat white should be double (or large basket) ristretto, topped up with milk. The milk should be wet, with very little/no foam. That's how I make it anyway.

Can you touch on the failed cap part?
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01-15-2016, 01:39 PM -
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Part of it is the way some of these beans are roasted. You get a robust espresso in italy, and you can't complain about italian cappuccinos being too weak/milky. They do coffee properly, no fannying about. 1€ an espresso or a macchiato, and if you are a weirdo milk drinker you can have the latte macchiato. Also the way of serving a macchiato which is to either give you a small jug of hot, frothed milk or to ask you to say stop as they spoon/pour it in. No idea why coffee shops don't do that here.
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01-15-2016, 01:42 PM -
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(01-15-2016, 01:39 PM)Walter Sobchak Wrote: Part of it is the way some of these beans are roasted. You get a robust espresso in italy, and you can't complain about italian cappuccinos being too weak/milky. They do coffee properly, no fannying about. 1€ an espresso or a macchiato, and if you are a weirdo milk drinker you can have the latte macchiato. Also the way of serving a macchiato which is to either give you a small jug of hot, frothed milk or to ask you to say stop as they spoon/pour it in. No idea why coffee shops don't do that here.

Must admit, I've never had a better coffee than the ones I had when I was in Rome. Unbelievable quality. Those people know how to live eat and drink out there.

Must admit I'm lazy with my coffee choices these days and just stick to a bog standard latte, occasionally a double shot if I'm really struggling. Worse now that the lassie in the place I go actually starts making it as I walk in the door Warnock
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01-15-2016, 01:43 PM -
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A flat white as in how it was originally made is a double ristretto with microfoam milk poured on top. It's basically a perfect mix and balance of liquid milk and foam with the foam folded in with the milk to create a smooth, velvet texture. It seems stronger than a Latte because there is much less liquid milk in the pour.

Latte = milky/wet
Cappuccino = frothy/dry
Flat White = smooth microfoam.

That's how I was taught anyway.

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01-15-2016, 01:45 PM -
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(01-15-2016, 01:39 PM)Walter Sobchak Wrote: Part of it is the way some of these beans are roasted. You get a robust espresso in italy, and you can't complain about italian cappuccinos being too weak/milky. They do coffee properly, no fannying about. 1€ an espresso or a macchiato, and if you are a weirdo milk drinker you can have the latte macchiato. Also the way of serving a macchiato which is to either give you a small jug of hot, frothed milk or to ask you to say stop as they spoon/pour it in. No idea why coffee shops don't do that here.

Don't you drink milk? I drank long blacks for as long as I drank coffee until I started barista training and had to sample the milk varieties - and fuck me they taste so much better. Frothed milk is just delicious. I'm guessing they don't do that here because not enough people care and it would slow down their turnaround. I'm guessing you're like me in that once you know exactly how a particular drink is meant to look/taste it's incredibly difficult to settle for less. I can't count the amount of times I've asked for a latte in say, a restaurant, and been served something foamier than a cappuccino. It's not worth the aggro, so I pretty much never order coffee anywhere that isn't a proper coffee shop anymore. Ignorance was bliss.
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01-15-2016, 01:45 PM -
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(01-15-2016, 01:42 PM)Charlie Kelly Wrote: Must admit, I've never had a better coffee than the ones I had when I was in Rome. Unbelievable quality. Those people know how to live eat and drink out there.

Must admit I'm lazy with my coffee choices these days and just stick to a bog standard latte, occasionally a double shot if I'm really struggling. Worse now that the lassie in the place I go actually starts making it as I walk in the door Warnock


My brother just got back from Rome a couple of days ago and he has bought all these fancy coffee making things to try an recreate what he had over there Warnock
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01-15-2016, 01:56 PM -
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(01-15-2016, 01:43 PM)Frank Underwood Wrote: A flat white as in how it was originally made is a double ristretto with microfoam milk poured on top. It's basically a perfect mix and balance of liquid milk and foam with the foam folded in with the milk to create a smooth, velvet texture. It seems stronger than a Latte because there is much less liquid milk in the pour.

Latte = milky/wet
Cappuccino = frothy/dry
Flat White = smooth microfoam.

That's how I was taught anyway.

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Agree with all of this. Only difference is I consider smooth microfoam to be "wet", but that's just a difference in vocabulary. Stronger than a latte because the shot is less diluted as well, owing to it being ristretto. Still think the failed cappuccino description is way off (unless you mean different to a cappuccino in every way, but even then that's just confusing), although I see that's apparently how it was invented so see where you've got it from.
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01-15-2016, 02:00 PM -
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(01-15-2016, 01:56 PM)Roger H. Sterling Wrote: Agree with all of this. Only difference is I consider smooth microfoam to be "wet", but that's just a difference in vocabulary. Stronger than a latte because the shot is less diluted as well, owing to it being ristretto. Still think the failed cappuccino description is way off (unless you mean different to a cappuccino in every way, but even then that's just confusing), although I see that's apparently how it was invented so see where you've got it from.
It's similar to being a failed cappuccino in that is a lot smoother and less frothier than a cappuccino, as if someone hasn't spent enough time making the big frothy milk and it's became smoother but I accept it isn't a great description.

But thats a great coffee you have there MyMan

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01-15-2016, 02:09 PM -
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(01-15-2016, 02:00 PM)Frank Underwood Wrote: It's similar to being a failed cappuccino in that is a lot smoother and less frothier than a cappuccino, as if someone hasn't spent enough time making the big frothy milk and it's became smoother but I accept it isn't a great description.

But thats a great coffee you have there MyMan

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It's just the same as saying "it's not a cappuccino". Makes no sense to me as a description Laugh. Different extraction of shot, different type of milk, different volume of milk, different pour of milk. It's so different Laugh.

You ken what a flat white is though so describe it however you want as long as you make it right Putitthere
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01-19-2016, 03:22 PM -
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Just listening to a Stuff You Should Know podcast on caffeine.

50% less risk of diabetes and throat cancer if you drink 4+ cups a day. Quite Good
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01-19-2016, 04:32 PM -
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My mum and dad drink fucking Nescafà original.

They're decent folk but I'm genuinely thinking about doing a McCauley Culkin and disowning the cunts.


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02-18-2016, 04:40 PM -
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02-18-2016, 05:15 PM -
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What's the difference between a macchiato and a latte macchiato?

Also, WS: was it you who said that your m8 runs Project Coffee on Bruntsfield Place? Their coffee is fucking beautiful. Pinilla Would appreciate finding out how they do it.
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02-18-2016, 05:20 PM -
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Macchiato means 'marked' so a caffe macchiato is a coffee marked with milk, while a latte macchiato is milk marked with coffee. In italy the latte macchiato comes in a tall glass, basically warm froth with a small splash of coffee in the top. Would be a breakfast drink only.
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02-18-2016, 05:46 PM -
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Na, not my mates that have project coffee. Will need to add it to the list to try. Was impressed by the coffee at brew lab though.

Anyone into a proper spanish cortado? Probably my favourite drink.
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02-18-2016, 05:49 PM -
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There a brew lab in Glasgow? Know they've just opened a West end shop.
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02-18-2016, 05:58 PM -
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(02-18-2016, 05:46 PM)Walter Sobchak Wrote: Na, not my mates that have project coffee. Will need to add it to the list to try. .

Just checked back in the places to eat thread - it's 2Na's mate who runs it.

There'll be a venti triple-shot soy hazelnut possyccino for him if he gets me the information I'm after. Pondlife
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02-18-2016, 06:05 PM -
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(02-18-2016, 05:49 PM)Roger H. Sterling Wrote: There a brew lab in Glasgow? Know they've just opened a West end shop.

Had a look, doesn't seem like it. I was at the one in Edinburgh when I was through one weekend. Glasgow is in a kind of a rut in some places as it's all from 'dear green' coffee roasters.

I rate this place https://www.instagram.com/labespr/ and the coffee shop at central station - gordon st coffee - makes a decent brew.
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02-18-2016, 06:07 PM -
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Tempted to real life neggy Acey (=visit his house and viciously beat him) for 'pozzychino'
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02-18-2016, 06:08 PM -
Might get a tassimo.



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