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2 Independence 2 Referendum
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10-06-2019, 02:55 PM -
“A force for good” :Heh fuds
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10-07-2019, 09:16 AM -
(10-05-2019, 06:17 PM)Neaven MacLean Wrote:

C'MON  Jj zing

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I'd say the Italy game. Coming up on on my last ever eccie at that game. Kilt on and soaked through.

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10-07-2019, 09:40 AM -
Folk on twitter claiming fake news and there were only 12,000 at that march.

Quite clearly a significant amount more than that.
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10-07-2019, 09:46 AM -
(10-07-2019, 09:40 AM)Marquee Signing Wrote: Folk on twitter claiming fake news and there were only 12,000 at that march.

Quite clearly a significant amount more than that.

Probs about 75k I think. There's good drone footage of it all.

The 250k figure being trotted out by some SNP MPs Zlat

Cherry is just playing to the lunatic fringes though - she needs their support to oust Sturgeon.
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10-07-2019, 09:50 AM -
She is building that support as well. She's far too divisive and would be a terrible appointment. Eek
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10-07-2019, 10:00 AM -
(10-07-2019, 09:50 AM)Marquee Signing Wrote: She is building that support as well. She's far too divisive and would be a terrible appointment.  Eek

She has my full support jjay
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10-07-2019, 10:19 AM -
The final moves in the next year or so should be no longer making independence about the SNP.

SNP’s final challenge is to trust independence with the grassroots and let them run with it.

The only thing the unionists have left is “SNP bad” and “cybernats” it’s time to prove that Scottish civic society can push this over the line with the main nationalist party taking a step back.
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10-07-2019, 10:33 AM -
(10-07-2019, 10:19 AM)Grumblebum Wrote: The final moves in the next year or so should be no longer making independence about the SNP.

SNP’s final challenge is to trust independence with the grassroots and let them run with it.

The only thing the unionists have left is “SNP bad” and “cybernats” it’s time to prove that Scottish civic society can push this over the line with the main nationalist party taking a step back.

Good luck with that Zlat

The SNP are the most controlling political organisation. No way they will ever take a back seat or do anything other than control all Scexit operations. Only way to give them a bloody nose and make them take a step back is to stop voting for them - but that wont happen for obvious reasons.

As for your final point - when the actual referendum is announced the debate will all be about the economics of it.

The SNP’s current position is promoting 10 years of turbo-austerity with the Growth Commission will not get them over the line. I am assuming they are working on a new plan in the background that answers those criticisms and answers the Copenhagen criteria issues.
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10-07-2019, 10:34 AM -
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10-07-2019, 10:37 AM -
https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/t...-1-5018708


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10-07-2019, 10:39 AM -
(10-07-2019, 10:33 AM)TheSitzpinkler Wrote: Good luck with that  Zlat

The SNP are the most controlling political organisation. No way they will ever take a back seat or do anything other than control all Scexit operations. Only way to give them a bloody nose and make them take a step back is to stop voting for them - but that wont happen for obvious reasons.

As for your final point - when the actual referendum is announced the debate will all be about the economics of it.

The SNP’s current position is promoting 10 years of turbo-austerity with the Growth Commission will not get them over the line. I am assuming they are working on a new plan in the background that answers those criticisms and answers the Copenhagen criteria issues.
We need to get a Dominic Cummings in so the SNP don’t have to answer all the difficult questions and just rip us out blindly like what has happened with brexit jjay
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10-07-2019, 10:42 AM -
(10-07-2019, 10:39 AM)Arthur Morphan Wrote: We need to get a Dominic Cummings in so the SNP don’t have to answer all the difficult questions and just rip us out blindly like what has happened with brexit jjay

I am sure they are working on sourcing such a guy tbh.
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10-07-2019, 10:43 AM -
(10-07-2019, 10:33 AM)TheSitzpinkler Wrote: Good luck with that  Zlat

The SNP are the most controlling political organisation. No way they will ever take a back seat or do anything other than control all Scexit operations. Only way to give them a bloody nose and make them take a step back is to stop voting for them - but that wont happen for obvious reasons.

As for your final point - when the actual referendum is announced the debate will all be about the economics of it.

The SNP’s current position is promoting 10 years of turbo-austerity with the Growth Commission will not get them over the line. I am assuming they are working on a new plan in the background that answers those criticisms and answers the Copenhagen criteria issues.

Won’t bother getting into the economics of it all but I am confident Scotland will be more prosperous independent and crucially wealth will be distributed more equitably.

As for your point about SNP - I totally agree with you. They are very strange in how they want to centralise power rather than devolve it.

Scottish Independence is becoming so much more than the SNP now and they need to get with the program.
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10-12-2019, 10:51 AM -
Long but worth a read. Makes you wonder how long people are prepared to ‘lend’ their vote to the SNP. A mass exodus of voters to the Greens would be nice to see.

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10-12-2019, 12:12 PM -
We need more independence parties. The SNP is so huge now it’s unhealthy for the vitality of the movement.

We need as many Independence parties as unionist parties with seats in Holyrood.
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10-12-2019, 01:23 PM -
(10-12-2019, 12:12 PM)Grumblebum Wrote: We need more independence parties. The SNP is so huge now it’s unhealthy for the vitality of the movement.

We need as many Independence parties as unionist parties with seats in Holyrood.

Leave - SNP, SSP, Green
Remain - Tory, Labour, Lib Dem’s
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10-12-2019, 02:39 PM -
That boys bailed the failure of the snp as a government. Nothing to do with independence just how bad the policies are and the way things have been implemented.
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10-12-2019, 03:27 PM -
(10-12-2019, 01:23 PM)TheSitzpinkler Wrote: Leave - SNP, SSP, Green
Remain - Tory, Labour, Lib Dem’s

SSP are minor. I’m talking 4 or 5 mainstream Yes parties taking 70- 80% of the vote. Not necessarily standing on a nationalist platform - just committed yessers in their manifesto.

Labour and Lib Dem as No parties. The Tory scum will be wiped out as a major party in Scotland so they can be classed alongside the SSP as extremist minority parties in Scotland.
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10-12-2019, 03:51 PM -
(10-12-2019, 03:27 PM)Grumblebum Wrote: SSP are minor. I’m talking 4 or 5 mainstream Yes parties taking 70- 80% of the vote. Not necessarily standing on a nationalist platform - just committed yessers in their manifesto.

Labour and Lib Dem as No parties. The Tory scum will be wiped out as a major party in Scotland so they can be classed alongside the SSP as extremist minority parties in Scotland.
The emergence of a fresh political spectrum is something I'm looking forward after independence. The traditional parties have shown themselves to be incapable of governing properly in the modern world, so it follows that a younger, more diverse, more politically engaged population will create parties that offer genuinely alternative approaches. For example, I think it's easy to imagine the emergence of what would be seen as a fiscally right-of-centre party today, but who have liberal positions on immigration and climate change, or who don't follow the rest of the West into wars its population has marched against. In other words, much more socially in-tune politics that appeal to a fairer proportion of the population than today.

The SNP will always be strong and I would imagine the Greens will grow post-indy, but there'll be a vacuum after that.
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10-13-2019, 11:31 AM -
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/union...-znn7nctgf#

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