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9/11
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09-15-2017, 02:50 PM -
(09-15-2017, 02:43 PM)Craig Levein-Style Icon Wrote: Should have replaced the WTC reinforced concrete and steel with the same stuff as the pentagon's 

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Nah I don't think when they built the tallest buildings in the world they made any precautions for it to withstand it getting hit by a plane, it was only natural it would crumble to dust like the flats at sighthill Monty Oh You
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09-15-2017, 02:51 PM -
(09-15-2017, 02:50 PM)Shteve Wrote: Nah I don't think when they built the tallest buildings in the world they made any precautions for it to withstand it getting hit by a plane, it was only natural it would crumble to dust like the flats at sighthill  Monty Oh You

What about a missile?
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09-15-2017, 02:56 PM -
(09-15-2017, 02:49 PM)Roger H. Sterling Wrote: VS slowly morphing into an "ah goat ye's".

you ruined the punchline Lampoon
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09-15-2017, 02:59 PM -
(09-15-2017, 02:45 PM)Roger H. Sterling Wrote: Completely agree. Particularly when you imagine that whilst the lower floors collapsed in on themselves, the floors above the impact fell as one, and fell sideways. Basically throwing a 5 story building at another building from a height of over 400 metres.

It's just the way it collapsed that's odd and can see why theorists use it as an example of foul play.

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Obviously all the damage is on the other side, but seeing it cave in from what looks like the bottom, with it all falling as one unit, when we're to assume all the damage was from the top and rear, is just weird.

I'm not a structural engineer though and have no idea how buildings are meant to collapse when another building is thrown at it from 400m.

Yep, as those X number of floors from above the impact collapse and overload the floor below them the mass of the collapsing material actually increases, so when it gets to the bottom it's being forced out in all directions at speed. e- That's the main tower I'm talking about here, misread what you said there, but you're right about WTC7, it lost it's structural integrity at the bottom and basically tipped forward and down.

That's why they only ever show you that side of the building in these videos, because the only way to sell the "controlled demolition" narrative is to view WTC7 in isolation. If WTC7 didn't exist and it was another company, we'd be reading about how that company had performed some strange market activity the day before etc. etc. Evidence tailored to fit your version of events, ignoring everything else as irreverent because "look at the smoking gun". Also, if they did just "pull" WTC7 then why wouldn't they just admit it. They could say it had suffered massive amounts of damage and was unsafe, so they had to take it down in a controlled manner. There would be no need to hide that, despite the fact that it would've been impossible to get to those lower floors and suicidal to go in there and plant explosives.

I've got a small engineering background but nothing that informed my views, to me everything said on this is fairly self-evident. I do have a couple of friends with masters degrees in engineering and they've had some good facebook arguments with folk on the subject.  Laugh
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09-15-2017, 03:04 PM -
Surprisingly good thread this has turned into. Excellent stuff from Rog throughout and Dank above too. Hekens

Are there still "unanswered questions"? Well, sort of. The idea of some grand conspiracy has always been fucking ridiculous, for the reasons others have set out. Not least because a conspiracy theory gives a wildly incompetent administration far too much credit: they'd have to have been geniuses to pull that off, and all that went with it, in plain sight of the whole world. But that said:

1. There is no way the 9/11 Commission was robust, comprehensive and transparent. Plenty of testimony was private and/or redacted - which must beg questions as to why.

2. At no point since 9/11 has the US ever gone after the country where the terrorists were originally from, Saudi Arabia. It's just gone after a bunch of other often less important countries instead.

3. Under Bush, despite an unprecedented global war on terror, the US never caught bin Laden.

4. Much the most important: what happened after 9/11. Because in the US government, after a fraudulent election of an idiot, were a bunch of complete lunatics and subscribers to the Project for the New American Century, whose stated goal was "full spectrum dominance": dominance of air, dominance of land, dominance of seas, dominance of communication.

And it just so happened that 9/11 gave those people - Rumsfeld, Cheney, Wolfowitz et al - the perfect opportunity to put that plan into action. All of a sudden, you were either with the US or against it; all of a sudden, all sorts of international norms and rules in place since the war were being ripped up under the pretext of "we are under attack. The whole world is under attack". So much so that the Democrats and most Democrat voters were cowed into silence.

Of course, if it had all been a big conspiracy, it hardly makes sense that the US went on to fuck Iraq up so spectacularly, wrecking its reputation and prestige in the process. But it's that opportunity which the Republicans seized upon which, I think, will always lead others to question just how it came about in the first place.
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09-15-2017, 03:05 PM -
Can you imagine the scale of any conspiracy to take down the WTCs and fly a plane into/shoot a bazooka into the Pentagon?

It would have to be hundreds of people involved. Hundreds of people who were quite happy to kill thousands of Americans. And not one whistle blower? And who authorised it? George Bush?
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09-15-2017, 03:06 PM -
(09-15-2017, 03:05 PM)TheMaganator4.0 Wrote: Can you imagine the scale of any conspiracy to take down the WTCs and fly a plane into/shoot a bazooka into the Pentagon?

It would have to be hundreds of people involved. Hundreds of people who were quite happy to kill thousands of Americans. And not one whistle blower? And who authorised it? George Bush?

Exactly.
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09-15-2017, 03:16 PM -
(09-15-2017, 03:05 PM)TheMaganator4.0 Wrote: Can you imagine the scale of any conspiracy to take down the WTCs and fly a plane into/shoot a bazooka into the Pentagon?

It would have to be hundreds of people involved. Hundreds of people who were quite happy to kill thousands of Americans. And not one whistle blower? And who authorised it? George Bush?

That's the extent of critical thinking that most people need to do to reach the conclusion that it wasn't an inside job.

Even if you go proper tinfoil and are in the camp of "the USA knew and let it happen" all the other facts of the day don't change.
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09-15-2017, 03:17 PM -
(09-15-2017, 02:43 PM)Craig Levein-Style Icon Wrote: Should have replaced the WTC reinforced concrete and steel with the same stuff as the pentagon's 

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So why do you think they flew planes into the towers and a missile or whatever into the pentagon? Why did they not just use another plane? What was the reason?
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09-15-2017, 03:22 PM -
Good posts Dank. VS unravelling before our eyes as the days pass is definitely a colon piggy colon though Quite Good
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09-15-2017, 03:26 PM -
Cheers, tower 7 is always the clincher for a lot of 'truthers' but it's probably the most simple thing to explain out of the whole thing. Monty Chuckle
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09-15-2017, 03:32 PM -
Not sure I agree that it's the easiest to explain when you see that people are questioning whether the planes existed Monty Chuckle , but the explanation that was given after the investigation was always highly plausible to me, even without doing any research into it. Seems fairly straightforward stuff.
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09-15-2017, 03:35 PM -
(09-15-2017, 03:26 PM)Fire Mixtape Wrote: Cheers, tower 7 is always the clincher for a lot of 'truthers' but it's probably the most simple thing to explain out of the whole thing.  Monty Chuckle

Agreed, it was taken down by thermite planted on each floor, job done.
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09-15-2017, 03:38 PM -
Does anybody seriously believe any other conspiracy theories? Always like reading about JFK but defo not sold on it
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09-15-2017, 03:40 PM -
(09-15-2017, 03:35 PM)Shteve Wrote: Agreed, it was taken down by thermite planted on each floor, job done.

Who planted it? And why? And if they were planning on blowing them up, why the need for the planes? Not easier to say "oh look nasty terrorist planted bombs" than to use planes and then have to explain how the planes caused the collapse, not the planted explosives? How did they know WTC7 was even going to receive extensive damage from the other towers falling?

Honestly takes a good 3-4 minutes of critical thought.
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09-15-2017, 03:41 PM -
(09-15-2017, 03:35 PM)Shteve Wrote: Agreed, it was taken down by thermite planted on each floor, job done.

What if all the debris from the main towers falling into tower 7 knocked out some of the explosives or broke the detonation cables? They might have run the risk that it would've looked less like a controlled demolition if the thermite didn't go off in a properly syncronised fashion and take out the structure's support entirely.
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09-15-2017, 03:44 PM -
https://911planeshoax.com

Sad to see so many on here not clued up on the no planes theory
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09-15-2017, 03:47 PM -
(09-15-2017, 03:44 PM)Craig Levein-Style Icon Wrote: https://911planeshoax.com

Sad to see so many on here not clued up on the no planes theory

I have watched things with folk explaining how there was no planes used etc etc, some of it is pretty wack job but I do quite like listening to some theories whether I believe it or not, I might look in to some other conspiracies and see if I can get on board with them too Shitwine
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09-15-2017, 03:52 PM -
Lewis joining the "ah goat ye's" brigade yeah?
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09-15-2017, 03:56 PM -
(09-15-2017, 03:47 PM)Shteve Wrote: I have watched things with folk explaining how there was no planes used etc etc, some of it is pretty wack job but I do quite like listening to some theories whether I believe it or not, I might look in to some other conspiracies and see if I can get on board with them too Shitwine

Have a look in to the hologram projectors Sound



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