11-12-2017, 04:56 PM
Did you see the reindeers?
11-12-2017, 04:56 PM
Did you see the reindeers?
11-12-2017, 04:58 PM
Could barely move for Christmas stuff.
11-12-2017, 07:27 PM
Strictly come dancing is currently doing a Remembrance Sunday interpretive dance routine to The Proclaimers
11-12-2017, 07:49 PM
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11-12-2017, 09:02 PM
And the blackhawks, do we even use them? Tempted to neggy khali because now I know that tattoo exists.
11-12-2017, 09:05 PM
It's the puckered arsehole on the right above the soldiers heed that's freaking me out tbh.
11-12-2017, 09:10 PM
Isn't that a scar/birth mark?
11-12-2017, 09:15 PM
11-12-2017, 10:38 PM
11-12-2017, 10:40 PM
(11-12-2017, 10:38 PM)Alan Partridge Wrote: https://twitter.com/mariacaulfield/statu...1061852160 Walt has already posted this.
11-12-2017, 10:41 PM
You can see at least three poppies
11-12-2017, 11:01 PM
Poppy-shaming
When did it become meaningless? I'm sure that when I was a kid there was something real about it, now it's just something to beat people over if they don't adhere to it. I remember an old man on my street giving me his poppy on my way to school when I was 6 or 7 years old and didn't have one. I feel like it meant something to him beyond a show of "I care", like it was to remind me of the sacrifice made by those he outlasted. These days I honestly never bother, and it's not because I'm not aware of the sacrifice or because I don't care, it's that it feels increasingly commercialised and less about the core memory and message it was supposed to carry. Even then, I'm conflicted, because I fully support the FAs of the UK nations petitioning to have it, but I honestly hate this idea that if you don't wear it it's because you hate your armed forces or what they've done, there are examples of that like that McLean boy but most of this stuff doesn't apply to situations like that.
In the mid 90s, the older generations had lived through one or two World Wars. They would never have stood for Remembrance being turned into a carnival. I guess the passage of time makes these events more and more distant, so people can add in their own revisionism and partisanship. It really is a depressing state of affairs. I put money in the bucket and got my poppy, but I only wore it this weekend and felt quite odd wearing it. Like I was wearing a political statement about the armed forces that I didn't want to make - all I wanted to do was remember the folk that got didn't come back from the two wars.
11-12-2017, 11:13 PM
It's almost as if you can remember things without wearing a symbol of it.
11-12-2017, 11:16 PM
(11-12-2017, 11:11 PM)Gregory Wrote: In the mid 90s, the older generations had lived through one or two World Wars. They would never have stood for Remembrance being turned into a carnival. I guess the passage of time makes these events more and more distant, so people can add in their own revisionism and partisanship. It really is a depressing state of affairs. I put money in the bucket and got my poppy, but I only wore it this weekend and felt quite odd wearing it. Like I was wearing a political statement about the armed forces that I didn't want to make - all I wanted to do was remember the folk that got didn't come back from the two wars. You could've remembered them without showing everyone you remembered them. (11-12-2017, 11:13 PM)Kevin Acey Wrote: It's almost as if you can remember things without wearing a symbol of it. Tbh, there was something dignified and understated about people putting a poppy on their lapel when we were growing up. It really was a sign of "we mustn't forget what happened" (lest we forget lol). Now it's a mess. The symbolism has been ruined.
11-12-2017, 11:19 PM
(11-12-2017, 11:11 PM)Gregory Wrote: Like I was wearing a political statement about the armed forces that I didn't want to make - all I wanted to do was remember the folk that got didn't come back from the two wars. Yeah I completely share this, think I came to that view some years back without consciously thinking about it, honestly couldn't tell you the last time I bought or wore one. It's really hard, because there are genuine people talking part in disingenuous events, and disingenuous people taking part in genuine events. A lot of what's been posted in this thread is clearly ridiculous, but there has to be some people who got swept up in it because they actually feel it, not just because of social pressure. I honestly don't know where I stand on the issue of remembrance, I'll probably continue to not wear the poppy or engage in anything past a minute silence and if anyone pulls me up for not wearing them I'll vent all my underlying anger at them. Seems like the best way to approach this minefield. |
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