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Stuart Wallace
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09-20-2019, 09:31 PM -
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I think she knows that they’ve wasted A LOT of money through both the massive mistakes made in building the new main stand and the massive mistakes made on player recruitment over a sustained period. She’ll never admit the extent of either and I suspect the figures on both taking into account wages etc are not too dissimilar. We are taking about millions of pounds. This notion that she’s been this amazing businesswoman for Hearts would not stand up to real scrutiny if the appropriate expert was allowed access to what’s really gone on!
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09-20-2019, 09:54 PM -
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(09-20-2019, 05:18 PM)Little Bit Of The Begbie Wrote: What a fucking disgusting comment Tim

Pay your money and shut the fuck up attitudes running right through the club.

It's a classic 'do you wish we'd gone out of business?' line - loses a bit of power when the answer increasingly might be yes.
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09-20-2019, 10:38 PM -
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I’m glad that they’ve made things clear too. What should be a quite revolutionary idea in our game is pointless if it’s never going to challenge the board on behalf of its members, especially during an extended period of self-inflicted malaise.

As for that line about wanting them to fail, they’re doing a great job of failing themselves just allowing Budge to do whatever she tells them to.
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09-21-2019, 12:33 AM -
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Just cancelled my pledge and sent an email to the foundation. I’m not having some lickspittle on the board tell me that I’m endangering the club by exercising my right to contribute, whilst he sits idly by as we collapse past even mediocrity.
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09-21-2019, 07:28 AM -
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What we should remember is that talk of cancelling pledges is not only potentially harmful to our club but also plays right into the hands of those rivals who want us to fail.

Anchored at the foot of the table should tell you we are already failing, you fucking dingbat. Fat Cunt Wiggo
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09-21-2019, 07:35 AM -
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I don’t know what I think about cancelling pledges. I haven’t had mine for a while but plan on getting it back once we’ve got some stuff out the road. I wouldn’t begrudge anyone doing it as at the end of the day we are being treated like customers by the club and if you’re not happy with the product you don’t have to buy it. I know Ann budge isn’t FOH but the club still carries the responsibility as it all feeds into the same thing.

For me now it’s really important for the FOH members who are seething to get some representation for themselves within FOH/hearts. I don’t think anything is going to change for the better by removing yourself from the scheme and not having any voice at all. I don’t think when it was started the fan representation side was taken that seriously and I think majority of fans just wanted to pay their money and let it take care of itself. Now with a huge rift in the support i think it would be good if there was someone within FOH making a lot of the arguments we are to the board and asking then the difficult questions.

But at the same time it costs money and if you’re not happy then withdrawing your support is completely fine too if that’s what you want to do.
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09-21-2019, 07:43 AM -
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Telt ye, they get what they want by using fear, a bit like terrorists.
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09-21-2019, 07:53 AM -
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Aww poor wee Ann imagine if only she got the abuse Neil Lennon gets ? grow some thick skin or move along ya old boot plenty before you took worse abuse and didn't turn on the fans. Actually starting to despise her if she's not lining Hibee pockets of family members she's actively demonising the hearts support. She's selfish no two ways about it everything is for her benefit. We have mugs who chuck £100,00 per annum at this farce for no return, feck that

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09-21-2019, 09:14 AM -
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(09-21-2019, 07:35 AM)Arthur Morphan Wrote: I don’t know what I think about cancelling pledges.  I haven’t had mine for a while but plan on getting it back once we’ve got some stuff out the road.  I wouldn’t begrudge anyone doing it as at the end of the day we are being treated like customers by the club and if you’re not happy with the product you don’t have to buy it.  I know Ann budge isn’t FOH but the club still carries the responsibility as it all feeds into the same thing.

For me now it’s really important for the FOH members who are seething to get some representation for themselves within FOH/hearts.  I don’t think anything is going to change for the better by removing yourself from the scheme and not having any voice at all.  I don’t think when it was started the fan representation side was taken that seriously and I think majority of fans just wanted to pay their money and let it take care of itself.  Now with a huge rift in the support i think it would be good if there was someone within FOH making a lot of the arguments we are to the board and asking then the difficult questions.

But at the same time it costs money and if you’re not happy then withdrawing your support is completely fine too if that’s what you want to do.


It’s really simple, for me. Pledges are the choice of the person who signs up, and the club doesn’t have an entitlement to that money - and they certainly don’t have the right to make vague threats about consequences should you choose to withdraw that support. The board aren’t listening. The manager isn’t listening. The “chairman” isn’t listening. What other option do folk have to express their displeasure with how the club’s being run?

They’re in an incredibly divisive mindset now, where only those who blindly support them and pump in cash are worthy of their time. Proper Pieman type stuff, except this is a time when we should have more power than ever, not less.
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09-21-2019, 09:30 AM -
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(09-21-2019, 09:14 AM)Little Bit Of The Begbie Wrote: It’s really simple, for me. Pledges are the choice of the person who signs up, and the club doesn’t have an entitlement to that money - and they certainly don’t have the right to make vague threats about consequences should you choose to withdraw that support. The board aren’t listening. The manager isn’t listening. The “chairman” isn’t listening. What other option do folk have to express their displeasure with how the club’s being run?

They’re in an incredibly divisive mindset now, where only those who blindly support them and pump in cash are worthy of their time. Proper Pieman type stuff, except this is a time when we should have more power than ever, not less.

I don't disagree with that, if you take your cash away it makes a big point but at the same time you are taking your voice away from making the changes you want to see.  The fans nominate and vote for the representatives and you can only do that when you're paying your subs.

My point isn't saying fans should continue to pump their money in blindly and just accept any shit that comes their way but to try and force change by getting representatives in who actually speak for you/the fans.  I think first time round no one was really paying attention to who was voted in as everything was rosy and we were genuinely happy just to be safe but now we're left with guys who seem to just be an extension of the club in terms of attitude.

Again, if people want to pull their cash i wouldn't criticise it but i don't necessarily think pulling out and leaving the FOH even more saturated with happy clappers is the right thing either.
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09-21-2019, 09:41 AM -
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I just feel like it’s the only language the board understand, the bottom line. Stop giving them money, stop buying tickets, she’ll get the message then. Very easy for her right now to dismiss these concerns as the moon-howling of a lunatic fringe when the money is rolling in and the pledges are healthy. She sees us as clients, so we need to treat the club like a business and stop buying their products when we are dissatisfied.
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09-21-2019, 09:53 AM -
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(09-21-2019, 09:41 AM)Little Bit Of The Begbie Wrote: I just feel like it’s the only language the board understand, the bottom line. Stop giving them money, stop buying tickets, she’ll get the message then. Very easy for her right now to dismiss these concerns as the moon-howling of a lunatic fringe when the money is rolling in and the pledges are healthy. She sees us as clients, so we need to treat the club like a business and stop buying their products when we are dissatisfied.

Again agree with all of that. Me and Chrambo were planning on getting season tickets for this year but when levein didn't go we just pied it off. The client thing is what frustrates me the most, she has come out and called the fans clients so how can you act surprised when your 'clients' are angry at the extortionate prices they are being charged for a woeful product?

For me the Foh is separate from this though. It's just my opinion on it, i plan on signing back up soon even in light of the utter shambles that the club is at the moment because i think having a wee say in things is more important than anything else. If we're going to moan our heads off about the state of the club i think the best position to be in is one where you can vote for someone who will back the fans every day at board level. I don't see the FOH as the club though, i don't think it would be the right thing to do to punish the FOH for the actions of the club but then some people may be losing faith in the people running the FOH too. As you say no one is entitled to your money and if you want to pull that for whatever reason you're well entitled to and i don't think it makes you a bad fan or putting the club at risk or whatever. Going down this road was always going to open up the possibility that the fans might get pissed off and pull their money.
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09-21-2019, 09:54 AM -
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Imagine how empty you would have to be to not want to connect with the fans and do something great when you are the owner of a club. All she wants to do is everything that suits her and fuck everyone else.

If anyone has watched the Leeds doc then that is what an owner should be, a humble guy that understands the club and the people, not just in it for himself but to do something great for the fans and the city. Surely that is more rewarding than just making a bit of money.
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09-21-2019, 09:56 AM -
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(09-21-2019, 09:54 AM)Shteve Wrote: Imagine how empty you would have to be to not want to connect with the fans and do something great when you are the owner of a club. All she wants to do is everything that suits her and fuck everyone else.

If anyone has watched the Leeds doc then that is what an owner should be, a humble guy that understands the club and the people, not just in it for himself but to do something great for the fans and the city. Surely that is more rewarding than just making a bit of money.

Agreed. It stings even more that our owner is a self confessed hearts fan from edinburgh Laugh
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09-21-2019, 10:01 AM -
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(09-21-2019, 09:56 AM)Arthur Morphan Wrote: Agreed.  It stings even more that our owner is a self confessed hearts fan from edinburgh Laugh

She is no Hearts fan like. No chance. I doubt she's watched a game of football before she came to Hearts.
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09-21-2019, 10:01 AM -
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She's a hibs fan from a hibs family fae Pilton.
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09-21-2019, 10:06 AM -
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(09-21-2019, 09:53 AM)Arthur Morphan Wrote: i think having a wee say in things is more important than anything else.  If we're going to moan our heads off about the state of the club i think the best position to be in is one where you can vote for someone who will back the fans every day at board level.  

Depending on your view, thats happening already.

I think its pretty clear with the statement of 'fan owned not fan run' exactly what type of voice the fans will be getting - next to none, even moreso if those that are fan reps (and certain fans) are going to blindly agree with absolutely anything those that run the club say.
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09-21-2019, 10:08 AM -
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Budge wants fans to be clients when it comes to the bottom line, but supporters when it comes to showing blind, unconditional loyalty. The common factor in both stances is the complete contempt she views them with.
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09-21-2019, 10:16 AM -
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(09-21-2019, 10:06 AM)Jeff Resnick Wrote: Depending on your view, thats happening already.

I think its pretty clear with the statement of 'fan owned not fan run' exactly what type of voice the fans will be getting - next to none, even moreso if those that are fan reps (and certain fans) are going to blindly agree with absolutely anything those that run the club say.
That’s what I was getting at though, I don’t think anyone took the voting seriously the first time round.  I don’t think I even bothered to look at the candidates who put themselves forward.  I was just paying my money at the time and happy to let it pan out, I think a lot of people would be the same.

Just now it looks like the guy in the OP is not doing a very good job for speaking for the fans, at least not for  a sizeable number of them.  When it comes round to the votes next time (not sure how often these are?) i hope the fans actually pay attention to who is putting themselves forward and vote for who they think will do the best job of being a voice at that level.  Stuart Wallace isn’t going to be there forever and there’s no reason the next representative needs to just shut up and be happy they’ve got a seat at the table. It’s up to the FOH members to make that happen though and I know which sort of fans id rather have voting on these things.
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09-21-2019, 10:23 AM -
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(09-21-2019, 10:08 AM)Makween Wrote: Budge wants fans to be clients when it comes to the bottom line, but supporters when it comes to showing blind, unconditional loyalty. The common factor in both stances is the complete contempt she views them with.

Correct.

(09-21-2019, 10:16 AM)Arthur Morphan Wrote: That’s what I was getting at though, I don’t think anyone took the voting seriously the first time round.  I don’t think I even bothered to look at the candidates who put themselves forward.  I was just paying my money at the time and happy to let it pan out, I think a lot of people would be the same.

Just now it looks like the guy in the OP is not doing a very good job for speaking for the fans, at least not for  a sizeable number of them.  When it comes round to the votes next time (not sure how often these are?) i hope the fans actually pay attention to who is putting themselves forward and vote for who they think will do the best job of being a voice at that level.  Stuart Wallace isn’t going to be there forever and there’s no reason the next representative needs to just shut up and be happy they’ve got a seat at the table.  It’s up to the FOH members to make that happen though and I know which sort of fans id rather have voting on these things.

Thats the problem though - the way its setup, the FoH only get two reps and even if there were two reps that would challenge them, they cant vote the rest of the board down (which is some instances, is a good thing). Even if you got one fan rep of each 'side', it wouldnt do much either. They may well give their viewpoint but when it boils down to it, what difference do/will they actually make?

Its a very nice slogan 'fan owned'. Looks good on the support and how they back the team. In reality, I'm not sure how helpful its going to be in the long run.



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