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Something rotten
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Cammo Toe
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01-03-2021, 09:15 AM -
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None of us as fans know what it's really like at Hearts. But there's something about us that I worry about. And Budge is an obvious part of it, but even I'll say it can't just be her. She's not on the training pitches. 

Under Levein I felt I could name more managers, assistant managers, DOFs, technical managers, coaches, goalie coaches, statisticians, fitness coaches, academy managers, than I've ever managed to name in all my years following Hearts. We seemed to have a bigger coaching staff than the OF.

But. And even now after Levein. We seem demotivated. To choose our games to turn up. To be unfit. Unprepared. To just seem like going through the motions. To not have a plan. Have our tactics and gameplay really changed under Robbie? He is son of Levein. Is it a surprise? It all feels the same heavy, slow, hoofball by uninterested players. 

Hearts seemed years ago to get talent in, and develop it. So the player became better frankly. Hartley, Webster, Pressley, McCann. There's a huge list. But now players seem to go backwards. Boyce, Halkett. Even Halliday who bossed MFs in OF derbies, looks like physically half the player.

From the outside looking in. We seem a flabby, comfortable club. Nice. Easy money. Budge talked about reviewing our contracts. Are other clubs more about win bonuses, but we're guaranteed income even when we lose?

Is there a bad culture at Hearts? Or cliques or bad eggs? Look at Sunderland. Naisy should be leading by example given his experience and stature. But he was training from Ayrshire. Not playing for us then man of the match for Scotland on his 50th cap on the country's biggest pitch. I think Naisy is all about Naisy. I think he picks his games during his fat contract retirement years. Maybe just saying enough of the right things to get a manangemt position with us soon. I think Berra is another big name, experienced, but almost shy. Quiet. Nice. 

I really worried about this most when we just couldn't be arsed at St Mirren last game. It's been a cloud over us for some years. And at the time I didn't think for a second it was Stendel. Last night was just more of the same. 

The one player I rate and who showed a bit anger last night, is Kingsley. And he isn't committing to staying. 

We turned up in the SC Semi and Final. But otherwise, we remain planless and slow and without impact. High hopes of McCulloch kicking the squad. All that. Where is it? 

Are we now too nice. Best training facilities. Mixing with the women's team. Lovely dressing rooms. Nice contracts. Budge saying hello. I almost wish we were like Wimbledon of years ago. Portacabins, cold water, ghetto blasters, nasty, team spirit, working class, horrible. Obviously we can't be that. But there's def something rotten or soft at our core. Who can forget Mulraney and his ear phones. Whelan dialing in from England. Last night was another example of our attitude and it's not just about a bad performance on the night. 

Pressley and Webster typified a Hearts team that ALWAYS cared and turned up. Say what you will about Elvis by the end. But we've no one like him now. He wouldn't have taken bullshit even in training. 

Again, something is rotten at Hearts. It's been there for a good 6 years and still remains. This team WILL go up. Badly. Then underperform towards 7th or 8th. And so the wheel will keep turning as FOH and Anderson write more lovely cheques to our nice club and Budge announces another 5 year plan. 

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01-03-2021, 09:17 AM -
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When did Halliday boss midfields in old firm games?
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01-03-2021, 09:25 AM -
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(01-03-2021, 09:17 AM)Staunch Halliday Wrote: When did Halliday boss midfields in old firm games?

Fair criticism. I'll take that. The rest of it was more my point though.
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01-03-2021, 09:26 AM -
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The clubs been in a tailspin since the day Levein and phoodle handed hibs the Scottish cup.

Levein is still behind the curtains working his phoodle and wee Budgie.
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01-03-2021, 09:34 AM -
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There's nothing rotten. No conspiracy.

We're just seeing 5 years of poor recruitment and a manager who is too cautious away from home.

That's the end of it.
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01-03-2021, 09:44 AM -
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Tullberg wasn't that bad.
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01-03-2021, 10:02 AM -
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No way I’m reading all that shite. Fair point Camo/get a grip you drama queen* 





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01-03-2021, 10:04 AM -
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(01-03-2021, 10:02 AM)Chris Benoit Wrote: No way I’m reading all that shite. Fair point Camo/get a grip you drama queen* 



You did read it. All of it. Every word. Let's be honest. 

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01-03-2021, 10:08 AM -
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Only by proxy Cammo, having read previous posts of yours I know you regurgitate the same pish so I’ve no doubt read the entire contents of your post just not on this thread  Monty Oh Well
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01-03-2021, 10:13 AM -
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(01-03-2021, 10:08 AM)Chris Benoit Wrote: Only by proxy Cammo, having read previous posts of yours I know you regurgitate the same pish so I’ve no doubt read the entire contents of your post just not on this thread  Monty Oh Well

You see a new thread. By me. Open it. Post to say I've heard from you before. Not reading it. Then revisit it to comment and keep a chat going.

Don't expect to hear back from you now since you're too busy and don't have an interest in this thread.

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01-03-2021, 10:18 AM -
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(01-03-2021, 09:34 AM)Zizou Wrote: There's nothing rotten. No conspiracy.

We're just seeing 5 years of poor recruitment and a manager who is too cautious away from home.

That's the end of it.

When was the last time Hearts were dece away from home though?

I don’t think Cammo thinks there’s a conspiracy- just a multitude of bad decisions and practices at Hearts from top to bottom. Players who don’t seem to care etc.

Not sure I’d describe it as ‘rotten’ but we have problems and getting out this league (that we have no business being in) this season should not be allowed to gloss over them.

We’ve gone through more shite players than in the Romanov years. But at least with him we knew he hated Hibs and wanted us to be the best team in Scotland and was quite happy to upset people, ruffle feathers and launder money to get there.
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01-03-2021, 10:21 AM -
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Our fans only really turn up against Hibs and Celtic as well and even then half the support are muttering under their breath about not approving of songs.

We should play in beige, not maroon.
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01-03-2021, 10:23 AM -
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01-03-2021, 10:30 AM -
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(01-03-2021, 10:18 AM)theMAGANATOR Wrote: When was the last time Hearts were dece away from home though?

I don’t think Cammo thinks there’s a conspiracy- just a multitude of bad decisions and practices at Hearts from top to bottom. Players who don’t seem to care etc.

Not sure I’d describe it as ‘rotten’ but we have problems and getting out this league (that we have no business being in) this season should not be allowed to gloss over them.

We’ve gone through more shite players than in the Romanov years. But at least with him we knew he hated Hibs and wanted us to be the best team in Scotland and was quite happy to upset people, ruffle feathers and launder money to get there.

I spoke to a player after the final who has very high standards. There is nothing wrong behind the scenes. Great bunch of lads, buzzing in training, Bar Roma etc.

The problems come when you have to field a team with Lee, Walker, Wighton, Berra and a guy who should be retiring in it. I would have had the Dundee midfield, striker and centre half ahead of ours last night so the result isn't that shocking.

Budge has put the new team in place so she will have fuck all to do with it other than providing the money (which she usually does in fairness). We'll just have to be patient and see how it pans out. We'll still walk the league.
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01-03-2021, 10:31 AM -
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Agree with a lot of the OPs points. I think it's down to frustration at a wasted 5 years to be honest. Will take time to turn this shite ship around but we will get there.

Still not convinced regarding Neilson long term but he'll do what's needed short term. I used this morning to look at his away record when we got promoted and it wasn't delightful reading Monty LewLew He's probably no better or worse than Jack Ross or Derek McInnes.

Think we had 8 of the squad from last season playing last night, so the poor mentality is still there. That will take changing in overall personnel, but hard to do it in 6 months and one transfer window. Even in 14/15 the season before it was like we went down in a blaze of glory due to circumstances against us and a young team that made us relatively proud.

Last season was a shambles on and off the park and it's created a deep seated rage (Rightly so) which means when we do lose and play poorly, reactions can be heated.
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01-03-2021, 10:32 AM -
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(01-03-2021, 10:30 AM)Zizou Wrote: I spoke to a player after the final who has very high standards. There is nothing wrong behind the scenes. Great bunch of lads, buzzing in training, Bar Roma etc.

The problems come when you have to field a team with Lee, Walker, Wighton, Berra and a guy who should be retiring in it. I would have had the Dundee midfield, striker and centre half ahead of ours last night so the result isn't that shocking.

Budge has put the new team in place so she will have fuck all to do with it other than providing the money (which she usually does in fairness). We'll just have to be patient and see how it pans out. We'll still walk the league.

Will be really disappointed if these guys are in the squad at the start of next season. We need a brutal cull over the summer of the dead wood. Think they're all out of contract bar Walker.
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01-03-2021, 10:38 AM -
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(01-03-2021, 10:32 AM)pauliewalnuts Wrote: Will be really disappointed if these guys are in the squad at the start of next season. We need a brutal cull over the summer of the dead wood. Think they're all out of contract bar Walker.

There will be a huge turnover of players in the next year or so. It's nippy as we all just want to just hit the ground running but it can't be overstated how bad some of these players are. Berra really should be playing in the league below at very best but we depend on him to win the league.

The objective is to get promoted at the first time of asking and we'll do that. All that matters at this point.
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01-03-2021, 10:39 AM -
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01-03-2021, 10:41 AM -
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The club won’t do anything other than lurch from one dross defeat to another while we have an owner who doesn’t make having a half-decent team the priority.

The first half yesterday can be attributed to a lack of effort alongside having players like Berra, Wighton and Walker who if we were reasonably ran wouldn’t be at Hearts in the first (indeed, second) place.
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01-03-2021, 11:49 AM -
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I actually fully agree with Cammo. The culture of the club has stunk for so many years that it can no longer be seen as a phase. This is Hearts now and it will take a few years to reverse it.

I think players do look at it as easy money. Even more so now that they don't have the fans at games holding them to account.



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