01-02-2020, 02:25 PM
Anyone who is interested in a more thoughtful theory of the situation, read below:
https://twitter.com/battleforeurope/stat...3761721344
https://twitter.com/battleforeurope/stat...3761721344
01-02-2020, 02:25 PM
Anyone who is interested in a more thoughtful theory of the situation, read below:
https://twitter.com/battleforeurope/stat...3761721344
01-02-2020, 02:30 PM
(01-02-2020, 02:18 PM)Nicolas Sarkozy Wrote: People view Boris more as 'one of them' than Corbyn though, and it was a straight decision between those two. Doesn't actually matter what the truth is, perception is everything. I think it would be easy to underestimate how difficult it will be for Labour to get these parts of the country back onside. The fact that he's Remain is an easy stick to beat him with long after Brexit happens as well. This is the weirdest conversation. Do you fancy having a wee stop and think about this pish you're coming out with man
01-02-2020, 02:34 PM
(01-02-2020, 02:23 PM)Grumblebum Wrote: Umm....so what you are saying is that it's not whether someone has a regional accent, it's whether they can connect with the thoughts and sensibilities of the voters in the area? Boris is an outlier having spent a couple decades creating a false everyman persona though. Starmer isn't going to be able to do that instantly - it will be incredibly easy for opponents/media etc to discredit him as a Londoner who represents a southern constituency, and wanted to overrule The Will of The People don't you forget, so how can he say he's looking after the best interests of Cleethorpes? It's an open goal for his opponents.
01-02-2020, 02:35 PM
Can we all just agree the obvious statement that Northern folk would in theory have a slight preference for someone with a familiar accent, but also that they are actual humans and if said person was a chancer then they wouldn't give a fuck how strong their regional accent is - see Jess Phillips for details.
01-02-2020, 02:37 PM
Mind when Sarko thought the Brexit referendum was going to prove that Scotland and England were no different?
We all live in our own wee bubbles, and our views of what other people want are influenced by that, but at least recognise that's the case when it keeps fuelling your bad takes. It's not entirely clear what will bring northern voters back to Labour, if anything - I think this might turn out to be a similar long term loss of votes to what we've seen in Scotland, albeit for different reasons. What's for sure is that it'll take more than a northern accent.
01-02-2020, 02:38 PM
I don't think anyone wants it to be Jess Phillips other than Jess Phillips and the Conservative Party tbf.
(01-02-2020, 02:34 PM)Nicolas Sarkozy Wrote: Boris is an outlier having spent a couple decades creating a false everyman persona though. Starmer isn't going to be able to do that instantly - it will be incredibly easy for opponents/media etc to discredit him as a Londoner who represents a southern constituency, and wanted to overrule The Will of The People don't you forget, so how can he say he's looking after the best interests of Cleethorpes? It's an open goal for his opponents. Ok, but don't bring up outliers that can deligitimise your point when trying to back up your own argument. That Farage will be another outlier too, I suppose. Even though he mobiised a shitload of northern votes for Brexit. Why can't Starmer not be an outlier? He's spent more years in Leeds than Boris and Farage have days.
01-02-2020, 02:46 PM
(01-02-2020, 09:23 AM)Nicolas Sarkozy Wrote: It's clear though that Labour have lost their traditional support base in the north - I don't think it's a stretch to think that a lot of these voters will look at Starmer, think 'ooh chuffin nora, another southern ponce in 't ivory tower who's never been to 't north' and not look much further into his background than that. For me Alan Johnson nailed it when he said they need a leader who people outside of the big cities will believe in; rightly or wrongly it might come down to basically needing someone with a regional accent.
01-02-2020, 02:56 PM
01-02-2020, 03:05 PM
I've said that his southern background will undoubtedly be used against him in the north and midlands where people clearly feel a disconnect with the Labour Party - a lot of people will see another southerner and leave it at that. A flippant remark at the end of my post doesn't equate to me saying appoint any northerner. (01-02-2020, 12:23 AM)Grumblebum Wrote: . Grumblebum endorses Jess Phillips
01-02-2020, 03:06 PM
Excuse me for misunderstanding you, Sarkozy! Christ sake.
01-02-2020, 03:14 PM
01-02-2020, 03:20 PM
01-02-2020, 03:22 PM
Famous northerner Alan Johnson nailed it, tbf so you could be right.
01-02-2020, 03:30 PM
The next election will be fought and won on the climate emergency. No one will care about what accent the leader has, it will take a perception of the leader being strong and decisive and I think Starmer has that.
01-02-2020, 03:30 PM
Go even further north and give it to PHM Ian Murray
01-02-2020, 03:38 PM
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