11-14-2015, 12:21 AM
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France Info confirm 1500 was at the show in Bataclan. /u/Fabe56
France Info confirm 1500 was at the show in Bataclan. /u/Fabe56
11-14-2015, 12:21 AM
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France Info confirm 1500 was at the show in Bataclan. /u/Fabe56
11-14-2015, 12:23 AM
11-14-2015, 12:23 AM
11-14-2015, 12:25 AM
Big chance of brexit now, people will want the borders closed out of fear.
11-14-2015, 12:30 AM
This is horrific. Shitting myself for taking kids to Paris next month
11-14-2015, 12:30 AM
11-14-2015, 12:33 AM
11-14-2015, 12:34 AM
People sharing videos of the Eiffel Tower going dark (happens every night) and photos of the marches after the last attack as 'live'.
This fucking world we live in were people use something like this for retweets and likes man, it's depressing as fuck.
11-14-2015, 12:35 AM
11-14-2015, 12:38 AM
(11-14-2015, 12:21 AM)shaun.lawson Wrote: It's very complicated. On the one hand, ISIS' sheer publicity and "success" in Syria and Iraq means it's dwarfed Al-Qaeda in importance over the last year or two, and inevitably attracted far more jihadis and assorted wankers. Plus, as you say, Al-Qaeda condemned them because even a network as monstrous as they are at least *thinks* it's acting in accordance with the Koran. Pretty much agree with everything there (apart from maybe the dirty bomb bit, but that's for another day). Syria under control of no one is the best training ground for would-be terrorists. There definitely has been, is, and will be a fluid exchange of fighters between several factions in the civil war. It has been well documented that there are thousands of fighters from Europe that have gone to Syria; add in Schengen and the elephant in the room, Turkey with its staggering blind eyes towards ISIS, the route between Syria and mainland Europe was pretty open (at least before the stream of refugees got into full swing). It's a distressingly complex situation. One that will not be fixed short or medium term. Even long term looks a struggle tbh.
11-14-2015, 12:39 AM
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(11-14-2015, 12:23 AM)Alan Partridge Wrote: It looks like it's just a part of life now and you just have to hope it's not you. But how does terrorism work? By terrorising people: not just the victims, but everyone. Wahhabi and Salafist fanatics seem to have understood this better than anyone else: hence Al-Qaeda's "spectaculars" (their words); hence ISIS' propaganda videos. Hence what they did to that poor, poor Jordanian pilot. Yet we're infinitely, infinitely more likely to die in a car crash - and no-one gets scared when they sit behind the wheel first thing in the morning. We're even greatly more likely to die by being struck by lightning: hands up who feels scared during a thunderstorm? Best way to deal with terrorism? Be vigilant, obviously (advice that applies in all aspects of life) - but beyond that, ignore it. Its entire purpose is to make us fear the worst (which I do too: look at my post about a dirty bomb), fear others, and foster resentment, division, conflict, violence. But ignoring it is easier said than done very often - because it tugs at our basest emotions, not at our rationality.
11-14-2015, 12:43 AM
(11-14-2015, 12:34 AM)Chrambo Wrote: People sharing videos of the Eiffel Tower going dark (happens every night) and photos of the marches after the last attack as 'live'. Im not on Twitter, but FaceBook is utterly horrendous right now
11-14-2015, 12:43 AM
(11-14-2015, 12:39 AM)shaun.lawson Wrote: But how does terrorism work? By terrorising people: not just the victims, but everyone. Wahhabi and Salafist fanatics seem to have understood this better than anyone else: hence Al-Qaeda's "spectaculars" (their words); hence ISIS' propaganda videos. Hence what they did to that poor, poor Jordanian pilot. Yep, all of that is true. There's no denying it is incredibly effective though. They can destroy a tourism industry in a matter of hours, cause countries to spend incredible amounts on better security and make people feel unsafe. It's just horrific and there's a horrible feeling that our time is coming.
11-14-2015, 12:53 AM
(11-14-2015, 12:43 AM)Alan Partridge Wrote: Yep, all of that is true. There's no denying it is incredibly effective though. They can destroy a tourism industry in a matter of hours, cause countries to spend incredible amounts on better security and make people feel unsafe. Well... you'll recall after 9/11 when the government, police et al all said "it's not if, but when"? So I sat with my friend Faisal over dinner on the Monday of Bush's visit to the UK for the G7 summit. We were both thinking the same thing: could the country be any more of a target than at this moment? Sure enough, three days later, it happened. Will it happen in the UK again? Yes, undoubtedly. Sadly, it's the price we pay for being a free society. And yep, it's certainly effective: 100 terrified hostages each executed one by one? Just horrific.
11-14-2015, 01:27 AM
11-14-2015, 01:29 AM
Catching up with this and in no fit state to post a measured responae but I'm sickened and saddened by what's happened honestly I feel at my wits end with these terrorist cunts. But what can we fucking do. Seriously.
11-14-2015, 01:29 AM
Be vigilant and ignore it is what people do... after a few days at least.
The emotional part of me thinks "Kill them all", and I don't even know what that means in practice. Slaughter entire towns, bomb cities, nuke mecca? It's that eye for an eye reflex response that is inherent in every human, and maybe a little comforting to think for a moment the utter devestation you would bring on those that support the horrific crimes that've been acted upon you/your society. Of course, nobody is blind to how destructive this is but I would be highly surprised if France/UK/US took a turn the other cheek approach. The rational part of me thinks "Obtain information, hunt their backers, kill them in their sleep" and that's what we'll do. Whether we like it or not, we're in a war and it's a war like nothing we've faced before. A war of ideology and ideas isn't new, nor is a war without clearly identifiable combatants or subversive and terror strategy but we've never faced anything like the clash we have over the last 15 or so years, all these elements together within our own societies and fought in such a way that no population can fully agree on what their government is right to do. The only action we can take is that of methodical progress, whilst we cannot always stop these things from happening we will use our resources to uncover, track and ruin those that would kill our innocent people. I've said a larger conflict in the middle east is coming, and our role in that is still undecided, but events like this make our participation even more complex but also even more necessary. This isn't about 'World Police' or intervention for the love of war, it does effect us and inaction is still a policy with just as many possible outcomes. We'll find public support for action increase and France will want retribution, and we'll stand by their side, maybe because we wanted to before, but now we have to.
11-14-2015, 01:43 AM
This has to be stopped no more skirting around the issue, if they want to hurt us we'll hurt them 10× harder, fuck their civilians seriously, if they want to start a war killing civilians then we'll go harder than them. Seriously fuck they cunts it's time to go to war.
11-14-2015, 01:47 AM
(11-14-2015, 12:53 AM)shaun.lawson Wrote: Well... you'll recall after 9/11 when the government, police et al all said "it's not if, but when"? So I sat with my friend Faisal over dinner on the Monday of Bush's visit to the UK for the G7 summit. We were both thinking the same thing: could the country be any more of a target than at this moment? Sure enough, three days later, it happened. On a similar note we were talking about the Jihadi John story at work this morning and the main chat was wondering what kind of reprisals we'd see. 12 hours later we found out (maybe)
11-14-2015, 01:49 AM
(11-14-2015, 01:43 AM)Amnesiac Wrote: This has to be stopped no more skirting around the issue, if they want to hurt us we'll hurt them 10× harder, fuck their civilians seriously, if they want to start a war killing civilians then we'll go harder than them. Seriously fuck they cunts it's time to go to war. This PSA was brought to you by Britain First |
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