11-18-2015, 07:32 AM
Grenades heard going off, seems like it's the boy behind it and and the brother of one of the suicide bombers. They'd be as well shooting themselves the now, they ain't getting out of that.
11-18-2015, 07:32 AM
Grenades heard going off, seems like it's the boy behind it and and the brother of one of the suicide bombers. They'd be as well shooting themselves the now, they ain't getting out of that.
11-18-2015, 07:42 AM
A woman apparently blew herself up.
Coupled to what was thwarted in Germany last night, I can't help feeling there's something big coming...
11-18-2015, 08:31 AM
(11-18-2015, 07:42 AM)Dexter Wrote: A woman apparently blew herself up. Yup. It's precisely because ISIS are losing territory and in steadily increasing trouble in their 'Caliphate' that they've opened up a new front instead. The more inroads that the coalition make against them in Iraq and Syria, the more I think their tactics will become increasingly desperate.
11-18-2015, 08:37 AM
(11-18-2015, 08:31 AM)shaun.lawson Wrote: Yup. How long do you think before there's boots on the ground in Syria? Can't be long before Russia and France move in. Believe Hollande is meeting with Obama and Putin this week...
11-18-2015, 08:44 AM
(11-18-2015, 08:37 AM)Vlad-Stupid Wrote: How long do you think before there's boots on the ground in Syria? Can't be long before Russia and France move in. Believe Hollande is meeting with Obama and Putin this week... Still quite some time yet - as long as (1) Obama's still President; and (2) there aren't any awful attacks in the US. Obama's whole softly softly, bit by bit strategy is because he knows that the boots on the ground will have to be Sunni in order to be effective in the longer term. He really understands the dangers of playing into the terrorists' hands. But in turn, this makes him look weak to domestic audiences: which again, is why ISIS are trying desperately to draw the Americans in. Conclusion? Boots on the ground if there was another 9/11 type event, or if (heaven help us all) the Republicans win next year. Probably not without that. Putin's one to watch though: some analysts think he's such a student of Russia's role in both world wars that he's modelling his conduct on that.
11-18-2015, 08:46 AM
Putin is surely going to go in and wipe them out.
11-18-2015, 08:47 AM
(11-18-2015, 08:44 AM)shaun.lawson Wrote: Still quite some time yet - as long as (1) Obama's still President; and (2) there aren't any awful attacks in the US. Obama laying the smack down on the Republicans
11-18-2015, 08:49 AM
(11-18-2015, 08:46 AM)Alan Partridge Wrote: Putin is surely going to go in and wipe them out. Aye. After his security forces confirmed that plane crash was a terrorist attack, the cruise missiles were flying all over the place One more thing and he'll probably flatten the place. Tell you what, even these jihadists that aren't scared to die will have the shits put up them by the Russians. Seriously mental folk, they'll massacre them.
11-18-2015, 08:50 AM
(11-18-2015, 08:46 AM)Alan Partridge Wrote: Putin is surely going to go in and wipe them out. Russia was bombing all the other rebels but leaving ISIS alone until very very recently - so I wouldn't be so sure. Their involvement gives Putin leverage to have the sanctions on the economy removed: can't see him co-operating much without that. But to go back to something I mentioned the other day, I also can't see how a ground war is effective (not just in defeating ISIS initially, but holding in the years afterwards) without heavy Turkish involvement. Can they be fully won round?
11-18-2015, 08:56 AM
(11-18-2015, 07:32 AM)Drederick Tatum Wrote: Grenades heard going off, seems like it's the boy behind it and and the brother of one of the suicide bombers. They'd be as well shooting themselves the now, they ain't getting out of that. Is that the wee cunt the police stopped and let go? How is he still at large man, you'd think they would have got a hold of him by now.
11-18-2015, 08:57 AM
11-18-2015, 08:58 AM
The problem isn't so much, "When is X going in to wipe them out", the problem is that IS already have "thousands" of boots on the ground, in Europe (and elsewhere).
Wiping out a training base in Syria, is not going to have a blind bit of difference to stopping what's going on here, France and other countries... Just my opinion....
11-18-2015, 09:00 AM
(11-18-2015, 08:50 AM)shaun.lawson Wrote: Russia was bombing all the other rebels but leaving ISIS alone until very very recently - so I wouldn't be so sure. Their involvement gives Putin leverage to have the sanctions on the economy removed: can't see him co-operating much without that. He does seem to have changed tact since the bombing of the plane though. Seems to be a wee alliance forming between France, Russia and America due to this. Obviously he'll have his own motives. Definitely an issue on how to keep things stable going forward, but things can't continue like this ... there's definitely an argument for going in now and damaging them at the heart of it.
11-18-2015, 09:07 AM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/admiral-ji...57148.html
Interesting article that just demonstrates how unbelievably complex the whole thing is.
11-18-2015, 09:16 AM
(11-18-2015, 09:07 AM)Alan Partridge Wrote: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/admiral-ji...57148.html That's a very good piece. I'd recommend this alongside it too: http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree...-article-5 Incidentally, on Syria being partitioned: I don't think it's merely a case of keeping an open mind there. I think it's absolutely inevitable, and that Putin has joined the fray partly because he knows it is. My biggest fear, though, remains the Republicans winning next year, and taking a cluelessly hawkish approach to all this if they do. I think they could fuck everything up.
11-18-2015, 09:17 AM
It is absolutely ridiculously complex. Daesh are also in Libya, they're in Iraq, they're in Syria. Syria has Assad forces, Daesh, Syrian Free Army and other aligned militias, some of whom are religious, then there is the Iranian involvement, Hezbollah, on the border with Lebanon, throw in the Kurdish question, the Turkish fears, Iraq, Iranian involvement in Iraq, Al Qaeda...it's an absolute mess. That's before you get to Israel, and probably one of the biggest drivers of arab/muslim grievance - Palestine - and a huge factor in muslim anti-west sentiment which can be used to radicalise.
11-18-2015, 09:19 AM
(11-18-2015, 09:17 AM)Walter Sobchak Wrote: It is absolutely ridiculously complex. Daesh are also in Libya, they're in Iraq, they're in Syria. Syria has Assad forces, Daesh, Syrian Free Army and other aligned militias, some of whom are religious, then there is the Iranian involvement, Hezbollah, on the border with Lebanon, throw in the Kurdish question, the Turkish fears, Iraq, Iranian involvement in Iraq, Al Qaeda...it's an absolute mess. That's before you get to Israel, and probably one of the biggest drivers of arab/muslim grievance - Palestine - and a huge factor in muslim anti-west sentiment which can be used to radicalise. Indeed. As videos explaining Syria go, I thought this was pretty decent:
11-18-2015, 09:21 AM
ISIS' MO is the scary thing. No sitting around a table is going stop them wanting to achieve their end goal.Â
11-18-2015, 09:24 AM
(11-18-2015, 09:21 AM)Vlad-Stupid Wrote: ISIS' MO is the scary thing. No sitting around a table is going stop them wanting to achieve their end goal. When you believe you are on a mission from God to bring armageddon and even if you die, there are a number of virgins (absolutely tremendous troll from Allah if they are greeted by a band of fedora tippers at the gates of heaven) waiting for you, then causing absolute carnage and death while blasting heavy weaponry is just bringing the end goal closer.
11-18-2015, 09:26 AM
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