04-06-2020, 12:03 PM
04-06-2020, 12:08 PM
I'm going to go a walk the day you'll all be happy to know who knew time went so fast when you're doing nothing btw feel like the days are just flying in.
(04-06-2020, 12:02 PM)Ross Kemp On Spice Wrote: That's fine but what if thousands of others have the same idea? Then the chance of crashes/interruptions on the road/infections at petrol stations increase. There's nothing wrong with a bit of discretion when it comes to rules and guidelines. The gestapo on here would want to round up a thousand people and get them jogging together for an hour sharing each other's gob and slavers. A bit of common sense instead of curtain twitching will help us all. The shame culture should be directed towards the pathetic government rather than to our fellow man.
04-06-2020, 12:15 PM
(04-06-2020, 12:08 PM)Grumblebum Wrote: There's nothing wrong with a bit of discretion when it comes to rules and guidelines. The gestapo on here would want to round up a thousand people and get them jogging together for an hour sharing each other's gob and slavers. All very nice until we get a proper lockdown due to folk thinking they are above the rules. We have it relatively decent in comparison to other countries. Just follow the rules for a couple of months and we can get through it without it being too much of a nightmare. It's not much to ask.
04-06-2020, 12:18 PM
(04-06-2020, 12:15 PM)Ross Kemp On Spice Wrote: All very nice until we get a proper lockdown due to folk thinking they are above the rules. Follow the rules with a dose of common sense and we'll all be grand.
04-06-2020, 12:20 PM
Just seen the espy bar getting fitted with Metal sheets over the windows and doors
no way is that going to be open anytime soon
04-06-2020, 12:24 PM
The whole point is a load of people don't have common sense so you need blanket rules for everybody to follow.
If everyone just convinces themselves they're using common sense to justify going for a drive or whatever it defeats the purpose. Even if technically you're not going to harm anyone in the best case scenario you're told not to do that shit so just stop doing it and the quicker we get back to normality where everyone can drive wherever they want to their hearts content. (04-06-2020, 12:24 PM)Morph Wrote: The whole point is a load of people don't have common sense so you need blanket rules for everybody to follow. I'm not saying change the rules just show some discretion and empathy for people who do especially in cases where they are putting people at less risk. What we're seeing across the world is that existing rules and texhno-managerialist approaches have not been adequate fo respond to this crisis and we need to move towards flexibility within systems of governance. If turning a blind eye to a few people going for a drive means that people will be happy to self-isolate for longer periods of time then this Would be long-term beneficial. The answer to this crisis and post-crisis is not more rigid, inflexible rules. It's more self and social responsibility from individuals combined with critical thinking. So if you're choice is jogging with a hundred folk or driving to a secluded spot, then now and again if you choose the latter it shouldn't result in a social gestapo hounding you.
04-06-2020, 12:29 PM
04-06-2020, 12:31 PM
(Edited 04-06-2020, 12:32 PM by Shuto Makino.)
I don't think that 'just apply a bit of common sense to the rules' applies in relation to the rules we have now, as the rules we have now already give the leeway that that approach implies we need. If people start trying to get around them further, we'll just need to implement stricter rules.
Not sure if that's clear, but what I mean is that allowing people to go out for walks and runs is already giving the leeway we need. You don't need to apply common sense beyond that, because the common sense position is to maybe go out for a wee walk or run then go back home. Go much farther than that and you're no longer social distancing. Edit: having said all of that, I do find the weird curtain twitching some people (not on here) are displaying over other people being outside weird.
04-06-2020, 12:32 PM
04-06-2020, 12:33 PM
(04-06-2020, 12:31 PM)Makween Wrote: I don't think that 'just apply a bit of common sense to the rules' applies in relation to the rules we have now, as the rules we have now already give the leeway that that approach implies we need. If people start trying to get around them further, we'll just need to implement stricter rules. If applying a perception of risk to these two behaviours, leaving unsaid discretionary room for occasional drives actually puts less people at risk than visiting busier public spaces.its not about giving people more leeway, it's actually in this instance of driving a short distance somewhere - strategic discretion can support the goal of containment of the virus rather than overly rigid adherence.
04-06-2020, 12:35 PM
(04-06-2020, 12:18 PM)Grumblebum Wrote: Follow the rules with a dose of common sense and we'll all be grand. Have you met the great British public before Leaving aside the trolling of Lewdog and being totally serious, I actually do think it's selfish to be going out a drive because you're bored just now. It doesn't take many people to think the rules don't apply to them for things to spiral and if that happens, it is lockdown. The govt are publishing daily data on vehicle usage and it's creeping up, which is partly why they're making statements about how rules may be tightened if people don't follow the existing guidelines. It's not exactly a heinous act to go out a drive, and it is likely to be just as safe, or safer, than going to the park or whatever, but it is a selfish and thoughtless one.
04-06-2020, 12:37 PM
With the better weather and peak probably coming this weekend, I predict we'll be in real lockdown by this time next week when the weekend videos on Twitter come around.
04-06-2020, 12:38 PM
If Johnson croaks it, Raab takes over.
04-06-2020, 12:39 PM
Whether it's morally objectionable or not, they should monitor the data regarding the usage of cars and make a statement dependent on whether this is adversely or helping the containment of the virus.
You'd want to run an analysis of whether not releasing a statement regarding car usage may result in people going out for longer periods of time by foot and not adhering to social distancing . This is an a debate between the effectiveness of isolation and social distancing. If these discretionary drives were stamped down as it is not adhering to isolation rules would this change people's behaviour In regards to flouting social distancing measures by going out for walks/jogs and overtime agreeing to meet friends. These are Unknowns. (04-06-2020, 12:31 PM)Makween Wrote: I don't think that 'just apply a bit of common sense to the rules' applies in relation to the rules we have now, as the rules we have now already give the leeway that that approach implies we need. If people start trying to get around them further, we'll just need to implement stricter rules. This is where I am with it. Some people are going mental every time they see somebody outside or in a car, life goes on and people still need to go to work and the shops and you don't have a clue about their circumstances. As you say your hour to exercise is your ticket out, you can literally go out every single day if you want just now as long as you're not taking the cunt and just going for a walk/run about your area. Folk can't be trusted with this though and seem to think it's a free hit for an hour to do whatever they want like go for unnecessary drives or meeting their pals in the park for drinks while walking. Not having a go at Shteve as don't really care tbh and don't think he's doing it to be a dick making a point but it is just pretty daft and thoughtless to do it. There are nurses and doctors pleading with folk to stay home who are absolutely fucked after shifts from hell but you'll still get people thinking they know better and think what they're doing is fine.
04-06-2020, 12:40 PM
(04-06-2020, 12:37 PM)Ross Kemp On Spice Wrote: With the better weather and peak probably coming this weekend, I predict we'll be in real lockdown by this time next week when the weekend videos on Twitter come around. I agree. And it won't be because of a few rogue drivers. It will be walkers/joggers not adhering to social distancing guidelines as they “jog†to the parks with a few tinnies and disposable barbecues.
04-06-2020, 12:47 PM
(04-06-2020, 12:02 PM)Ross Kemp On Spice Wrote: That's fine but what if thousands of others have the same idea? Then the chance of crashes/interruptions on the road/infections at petrol stations increase. Are we being asked to stop doing everything that could result in harm and hospitalisation? I thought it was social distancing to prevent spreading infection and crippling the NHS with corona patients. If you're not supposed to drive because you might crash, should we then stop using sharp knives incase we cut ourselves, or boiling the kettle in case we burn ourselves? Where do you draw the line.
04-06-2020, 12:49 PM
Going for a drive isn't essential travel, you should only be driving to and from the shops if you have to, or to and from work if you're needing to go out for work. It's black and white.
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