05-20-2020, 01:13 PM
The biggest issue with Rogan is that he confuses open-mindedness with gullibility.
05-20-2020, 01:13 PM
The biggest issue with Rogan is that he confuses open-mindedness with gullibility.
05-20-2020, 01:21 PM
What's his appeal? I've never listened to any of his stuff, but he looks like a daft meathead.
Was looking for something new the other day so tried "Gossipmongers" (Joe Wilkinson and a couple of others). Dreadful. (05-20-2020, 01:21 PM)Acey Exotic Wrote: What's his appeal? I've never listened to any of his stuff, but he looks like a daft meathead.He's a funny guy and his programming (or guy doing it for him) is probably the best of any podcast around just now. He used to cut a really good balance of getting guys on who are there just for memes and the radge content but also academics or scientists who would go into a lot of detail but you still felt you could follow along. Obv there's a big bias towards MMA too so if you're into MMA or boxing then he has loads of really good guests on that provide that side of things. He defo used to be very good and I used to look forward to every week regardless of the guest but now I will barely look. He does basically just come across as an American meat head now, he's got a huge audience who are predominantly American guys so the content feels like it's just for them. It used to be he'd let people say their piece and only really be there to play devils advocate against their points but he's quite opinionated these days and unfortunately not really the type of shit I'm interested in listening to.
05-20-2020, 02:43 PM
Joe Rogan is that guy on your Facebook who unquestioningly believes whatever he heard on the last Youtube video he watched and thinks that counts as 'having done research', except he has an audience of millions. Some of the guests he invites are fairly harmless, but he also invites some genuinely sinister people, and if they're articulate enough to put together a coherent narrative then he'll interview them completely uncritically.
05-20-2020, 03:30 PM
(05-20-2020, 02:43 PM)Makween Wrote: Joe Rogan is that guy on your Facebook who unquestioningly believes whatever he heard on the last Youtube video he watched and thinks that counts as 'having done research', except he has an audience of millions. Some of the guests he invites are fairly harmless, but he also invites some genuinely sinister people, and if they're articulate enough to put together a coherent narrative then he'll interview them completely uncritically. Everything he says is basically the kind of shite you chat to somebody at 5 in the morning when you're melted. Difference is, he actually believes it. Doubt there's anyone who has done more to legitamise the al-right's views either. I'd bet 90% of his audience are neckbeard types.
05-20-2020, 03:37 PM
Don't really buy this gateway to the alt-right thing. He's had the likes of Abby Martin on numerous times as well as Bernie Sanders, Andrew Yang etc.
Think he's said before he's made mistakes with some of the guests he's given a platform to. He strikes me as a guy who doesn't realise the power he has at times.
05-20-2020, 03:38 PM
Quite a testament to how thick he is
05-20-2020, 04:18 PM
(05-20-2020, 03:37 PM)Ross Kemp On Spice Wrote: Don't really buy this gateway to the alt-right thing. He's had the likes of Abby Martin on numerous times as well as Bernie Sanders, Andrew Yang etc. I don't think the issue is that he personally buys into alt-right ideology so much as that when he does invite on figures associated with the alt-right he doesn't take any critical distance. He'd probably defend that as giving everyone a platform to express themselves, freedom of expression and so on and so forth, but the end result is that millions of people are hearing these views going unchallenged and not realising just how marginal or lunatic fringe they are (the one that stands out for me is the South African white genocide guy whose name escapes me). I think your last sentence is basically right - I think he basically just wants to hear from and give a platform to everyone who seems a bit interesting, without really considering the repercussions. He also mistakes contrarianism with critical thinking, so thinks every contrarian out there is worth interviewing. It's an unfortunate combination of not being that bright, having an insatiable thirst for very shallow knowledge on every subject, and having a massive platform.
05-20-2020, 06:53 PM
(05-20-2020, 04:18 PM)Makween Wrote: He also mistakes contrarianism with critical thinking, so thinks every contrarian out there is worth interviewing. Looking forward to the 'Morph from Pilton' interview, amirite. Joe Rogan is a banger who tries to legitimise these incel views. He shouldn't be allowed a platform, but that's the world we live in
05-20-2020, 07:32 PM
(05-20-2020, 06:53 PM)Frank Uchewood Wrote: Looking forward to the 'Morph from Pilton' interview, amirite. You can think he's a knob and dislike his show but he's hardly a dangerous guy.
05-20-2020, 07:45 PM
(05-20-2020, 07:32 PM)Morph Wrote: I wouldn't say he should be denied a platform, but it's perfectly legitimate to say he's dangerous. He legitimises the views of extremists. In terms of things which are a danger to our society that concept ranks second only to the coronavirus.
05-20-2020, 07:52 PM
That's not views he holds though, on the same hand he also endorsed Bernie sanders and told all his subscribers that's who he was voting for. He's had plenty people on from all sides of the political spectrum and that obv includes people at the extreme ends too. Maybe podcasts aren't the best way of interviewing these people but I don't really see much difference from watching a vice documentary or similar.
There's maybe a discussion to be had about whether certain people should be given any platform at all but I don't think that's something specific to Rogan.
05-20-2020, 07:52 PM
(05-20-2020, 06:53 PM)Frank Uchewood Wrote: Looking forward to the 'Morph from Pilton' interview, amirite. Tbf I don't know if he tries to legitimise them - as I mentioned earlier in the thread, the only person I can remember him explicitly endorsing (and I might be wrong, as I don't exactly regularly listen to his podcast) was Bernie Sanders. I just think he's a dangerous combination of very thick, very curious, and massively followed.
05-20-2020, 10:01 PM
(Edited 05-20-2020, 10:04 PM by Billy Butcher.)
I had wrote out a massive response, but it boils down to one statement:
Until Joe Rogan can show a willingness or ability to critically analyse ideas (left, right, centre, whatever) he shouldn't just be allowed to let anyone come on his podcast and just slaver for 10 hours straight to his army of 30 year old incels. The 'Marketplace of ideas' is fine in theory, but the person running the market needs to be able to critically analyse the ideas. BTW - the whole 'I'm voting for Trump over Biden' episode was this encapsulated. He just bought the propaganda hook, line and sinker and then blurted out to millions of people that Biden is more dangerous than Trump. The man is a big baldy Facebook Ma.
05-20-2020, 10:04 PM
(Edited 05-20-2020, 10:05 PM by Shuto Makino.)
I agree, as I think my earlier posts made clear. Just think it's a reach to say he's promoting these views rather than platforming them and being too stupid to see the impact of doing so. Arguably the distinction is only semantic, I guess.
Edit: although I don't really see how he could viably be denied a platform.
05-20-2020, 10:05 PM
(05-20-2020, 10:01 PM)Frank Uchewood Wrote: I had wrote out a massive response, but it boils down to one statement: Who should tell him that he isn't allowed?
05-20-2020, 10:13 PM
05-20-2020, 10:14 PM
(05-20-2020, 10:05 PM)Ross Kemp On Spice Wrote: Who should tell him that he isn't allowed? The DEEP STATE But seriously, this is where it gets tricky because you get an expert/group of experts to evaluate his abilities and then he'll just cry foul and say he's being censored by the academic left in their ivory tower, etc etc. That's why I said it's just the world we live in nowadays. Joe Rogan and his guest's views are as legitimate as a 50 year career expert in some people's eyes. I'm the worst sort of person - saying there is a problem but not having any good solutions.
05-20-2020, 10:19 PM
(05-20-2020, 10:14 PM)Frank Uchewood Wrote: The DEEP STATE I think if there was a requirement for serious critical analysis of ideas on podcasts then there would be no more podcasts. Like it or not, part of the charm of Rogan is he will speak to anyone with any perspective. Another part of his charm is the podcast is in a conversation format where more often than not he'll be melted which doesn't lend itself well to serious analysis. Will be interesting to see if Spotify filter the type of guest he has on. I doubt it. |
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