Net Neutrality

[Del-icious]

Sorry what I meant was the law in America was introduced in 2015, not the principle.

[Zizou]

Why do you think the ISPs have lobbied to repeal it then, Morph? Just for a laugh?

[Roger H. Sterling]

Sorry what I meant was the law in America was introduced in 2015, not the principle.

Yeah but the law was to protect the basic principle. There was no law before 2015 because it wasn't needed because it wasn't expected that ISPs would choose to abuse the service they provided. The US ISPs now want to abuse it and have been prevented by a bill and that bill is potentially being repealed. So your argument that because it didn't happen pre-2015 means it won't happen after a repeal doesn't make sense. It didn't happen because it wasn't the done thing.

[Roger H. Sterling]

It's like living in a village where there's no locks on doors because they haven't experienced burglary. The villagers hear that someone is planning to burgle their homes so they install locks on their doors. Shortly after a bunch of blokes wearing masks try to ban locks in the village.

You're arguing that because there was no burglary before locks that there will be no burglary after locks are banned and we should trust the guys in the masks.

[Del-icious]

Yeah but the law was to protect the basic principle. There was no law before 2015 because it wasn't needed because it wasn't expected that ISPs would choose to abuse the service they provided. The US ISPs now want to abuse it and have been prevented by a bill and that bill is potentially being repealed. So your argument that because it didn't happen pre-2015 means it won't happen after a repeal doesn't make sense. It didn't happen because it wasn't the done thing.

Fair enough.

I still don't think it's going to make any mass changes for the consumer in the states.

Find it hard to believe that giant companies like Amazon, Facebook, Google etc will just stand by as some other companies dictate to them how many customers they get. The ISPs will want it so they can have more control but that doesn't necessarily mean some market where you have to pay the media package to get BBC or whatever.

[Zizou]

There are examples of it happening to giant companies such as Google and Apple

https://www.freepress.net/blog/2017/04/2...ef-history

[Del-icious]

So if you need to agree within your contract with your ISP that you're happy with them charging you to access certain sites, what's stopping a new ISP emerging that doesn't have these restrictions coming in and hoovering up the 80% of America that is against the repeal?

[Roger H. Sterling]

Fair enough.

I still don't think it's going to make any mass changes for the consumer in the states.

Find it hard to believe that giant companies like Amazon, Facebook, Google etc will just stand by as some other companies dictate to them how many customers they get.  The ISPs will want it so they can have more control but that doesn't necessarily mean some market where you have to pay the media package to get BBC or whatever.

Showing your naivety again Morph. It's not about the big companies, they can afford to pay their way. Or even the consumer necessarily. It's about a free internet. Amazon will pay their dues and their customers will have unfettered access to their site. And if a young plucky online shopping start-up ever begins to gain traction? well then Amazon can throw their weight about and have that site throttled. A new social network comes on the scene? No net neutrality means Facebook can bury it.

[Roger H. Sterling]

So if you need to agree within your contract with your ISP that you're happy with them charging you to access certain sites, what's stopping a new ISP emerging that doesn't have these restrictions coming in and hoovering up the 80% of America that is against the repeal?

Infrastructure?

[Zizou]

So if you need to agree within your contract with your ISP that you're happy with them charging you to access certain sites, what's stopping a new ISP emerging that doesn't have these restrictions coming in and hoovering up the 80% of America that is against the repeal?

I think it's something like 4 companies control 80% of the US broadband market so it's basically impossible.

[Chrambo]

Apple, Netflix, Facebook etc. Will see it as opportunity to get one over their revivals. Pay the ISP a premium to be pushed to the front of every package etc.

It's probably not ideal for them in theory, but they'll make the most if it and long term it will work.

[Cheeky Gnando’s]

The EU has a net neutrality law does it not, so surely that would be illegal?

Wonder why it was made illegal

Spoiler: it's because cunt ISPs like that started ripping the piss and there was uproar.

[PHOODLE-OUt]

I will fight May in the street if she fucks with my morning wanks

[The Great Khali]

Lot eh shite.

[Bill Cosby]

This won't happen in the UK. We have a completely different setup. Openreach are required by UK law to offer equivalence. This essentially means that whether you are BT or TH telecoms you pay the same rate to rent cabinet space in the local exchanges.

Within the next 5-10 years all the local exchanges are going. There will only be four 'super exchanges' with all copper landlines replaced with VOIP type applications, this will be a huge boost for smaller telecoms providers as their costs will plummet. Therefore if a ISP introduces filters then simply move to another.

[Big Physical Acey]

Morph - compare it to microtransactions in games. It started with horse armour and FUT, and leads to Star Wars Battlefront 2.

Like others have said, the Murican ISPs haven't spent millions lobbying for this for a laugh.

[Roger H. Sterling]

This won't happen in the UK. We have a completely different setup. Openreach are required by UK law to offer equivalence. This essentially means that whether you are BT or TH telecoms you pay the same rate to rent cabinet space in the local exchanges.

Within the next 5-10 years all the local exchanges are going. There will only be four 'super exchanges' with all copper landlines replaced with VOIP type applications, this will be a huge boost for smaller telecoms providers as their costs will plummet. Therefore if a ISP introduces filters then simply move to another.

Yeah I'm not too worried about the UK. We're too small a nation to allow that to happen here. Could have a knock on effect considering the majority of sites are US based but I've not looked into what those effects will be.

Morph - compare it to microtransactions in games. It started with horse armour and FUT, and leads to Star Wars Battlefront 2.

Like others have said, the Murican ISPs haven't spent millions lobbying for this for a laugh.

Nah mate, Morph doesn't think anything will change so nothing will change.

[KartumaFish]

Stuff You Should Know's episode on net neutrality from a year or two back is still a great listen to get an idea of what ISPs would look to do

https://www.stuffyoushouldknow.com/podca...rality.htm

[Del-icious]

Yeah I'm not too worried about the UK. We're too small a nation to allow that to happen here. Could have a knock on effect considering the majority of sites are US based but I've not looked into what those effects will be.


Nah mate, Morph doesn't think anything will change so nothing will change.

Why are you such a smarmy cunt at times? My opinion is I don't see an online world where it happens to this extreme. I don't know for a fact what will happen and neither do you until it does. Ffs.

Anyway this is unlikely to affect us in Britain, and even post Brexit Britain already had implemented its own version of NN before the EU so I can't see this happening here.

[Sarkozabal]

Why are you such a smarmy cunt at times? My opinion is I don't see an online world where it happens to this extreme. I don't know for a fact what will happen and neither do you until it does. Ffs.

Anyway this is unlikely to affect us in Britain, and even post Brexit Britain already had implemented its own version of NN before the EU so I can't see this happening here.

If poor Lewis had said this you'd be slaughtering him for it. People who know what they're talking about have explained why it's such a big deal and you've basically just said 'yeah but I don't think it is'.